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Trader Pat
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:38 pm
I'm just not gonna do the part of my job that I think is hard because I can pay my way out of it. that pretty much what i got from her post.

Yeah it reads that way but don't think it will work long term. The WTA could introduce other sanctions if this is something she's going to do at every tournament.

Maybe its just for the French Open because its her worst surface? Can't wait to see the reaction of the French fans!

It could also be seen as two fingers to the fans, if your favourite player gets beaten you want to hear them give their version of why they were beaten. "I'm not going to give an interview or do any press conferences but be sure to follow me on social media" won't really cut it for a lot of fans.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:45 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:38 pm
I'm just not gonna do the part of my job that I think is hard because I can pay my way out of it. that pretty much what i got from her post.

Yeah it reads that way but don't think it will work long term. The WTA could introduce other sanctions if this is something she's going to do at every tournament.

Maybe its just for the French Open because its her worst surface? Can't wait to see the reaction of the French fans!

It could also be seen as two fingers to the fans, if your favourite player gets beaten you want to hear them give their version of why they were beaten. "I'm not going to give an interview or do any press conferences but be sure to follow me on social media" won't really cut it for a lot of fans.
Talking to the press is in her WTA contract. Its all a little confusing to me either way. Models bikini pics on Insta for companies which i would guess has to be one of the most toxic places in the world for mean comments but can't do a 5 min interview when she loses. I think tennis writers for the most part are pretty respectful outside of the occasional tabloid journalist. I feel like the English fans would be more likely to get after her at Wimbledon that the French at RG.

Funny story - years ago before she had won anything I sat next to her on one of the outer courts at the Volvo Open (Charleston). Her dad was busting her balls about watching the match because it was her next opponent. All she seemed to care about was what was on her phone. Obviously worked out for her though. I think she made $50 milly last year.
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Talking to the press is in her WTA contract. Its all a little confusing to me either way. Models bikini pics on Insta for companies which i would guess has to be one of the most toxic places in the world for mean comments but can't do a 5 min interview when she loses. I think tennis writers for the most part are pretty respectful outside of the occasional tabloid journalist. I feel like the English fans would be more likely to get after her at Wimbledon that the French at RG.

Funny story - years ago before she had won anything I sat next to her on one of the outer courts at the Volvo Open (Charleston). Her dad was busting her balls about watching the match because it was her next opponent. All she seemed to care about was what was on her phone. Obviously worked out for her though. I think she made $50 milly last year.

She said in the statement something like she was sick of being asked the same question over and over which I thought was a bit naive. Some journalists ask a question not for the answer but for the reaction that's what makes a story. That's why you see a line of journalists asking the same question one after the other! :D
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Trader Pat wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 2:51 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Talking to the press is in her WTA contract. Its all a little confusing to me either way. Models bikini pics on Insta for companies which i would guess has to be one of the most toxic places in the world for mean comments but can't do a 5 min interview when she loses. I think tennis writers for the most part are pretty respectful outside of the occasional tabloid journalist. I feel like the English fans would be more likely to get after her at Wimbledon that the French at RG.

Funny story - years ago before she had won anything I sat next to her on one of the outer courts at the Volvo Open (Charleston). Her dad was busting her balls about watching the match because it was her next opponent. All she seemed to care about was what was on her phone. Obviously worked out for her though. I think she made $50 milly last year.

She said in the statement something like she was sick of being asked the same question over and over which I thought was a bit naive. Some journalists ask a question not for the answer but for the reaction that's what makes a story. That's why you see a line of journalists asking the same question one after the other! :D
Sister making things better all around..........

https://www.tennis365.com/french-open/n ... ial-media/
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:56 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 2:51 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Talking to the press is in her WTA contract. Its all a little confusing to me either way. Models bikini pics on Insta for companies which i would guess has to be one of the most toxic places in the world for mean comments but can't do a 5 min interview when she loses. I think tennis writers for the most part are pretty respectful outside of the occasional tabloid journalist. I feel like the English fans would be more likely to get after her at Wimbledon that the French at RG.

Funny story - years ago before she had won anything I sat next to her on one of the outer courts at the Volvo Open (Charleston). Her dad was busting her balls about watching the match because it was her next opponent. All she seemed to care about was what was on her phone. Obviously worked out for her though. I think she made $50 milly last year.

She said in the statement something like she was sick of being asked the same question over and over which I thought was a bit naive. Some journalists ask a question not for the answer but for the reaction that's what makes a story. That's why you see a line of journalists asking the same question one after the other! :D
Sister making things better all around..........

https://www.tennis365.com/french-open/n ... ial-media/
My favourite line in that statement is "Tennis players do not get paid to do press conferences" :roll:

She doesn't want to do press conferences but she's fine doing on court interviews after her matches. Its a tantrum pure and simple and to hide behind mental health issues is pretty shameful. What makes it even worse is it seems to be only for the French Open, if these were genuine mental health concerns she wouldn't want to do press conferences anywhere.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 12:19 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:56 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 2:51 pm



She said in the statement something like she was sick of being asked the same question over and over which I thought was a bit naive. Some journalists ask a question not for the answer but for the reaction that's what makes a story. That's why you see a line of journalists asking the same question one after the other! :D
Sister making things better all around..........

https://www.tennis365.com/french-open/n ... ial-media/
My favourite line in that statement is "Tennis players do not get paid to do press conferences" :roll:

She doesn't want to do press conferences but she's fine doing on court interviews after her matches. Its a tantrum pure and simple and to hide behind mental health issues is pretty shameful. What makes it even worse is it seems to be only for the French Open, if these were genuine mental health concerns she wouldn't want to do press conferences anywhere.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd. She's pulled outta tourney and is probably punting tennis for the rest of the year. When life gives ya lemons......... quit.
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:21 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 12:19 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Mon May 31, 2021 10:56 am


Sister making things better all around..........

https://www.tennis365.com/french-open/n ... ial-media/
My favourite line in that statement is "Tennis players do not get paid to do press conferences" :roll:

She doesn't want to do press conferences but she's fine doing on court interviews after her matches. Its a tantrum pure and simple and to hide behind mental health issues is pretty shameful. What makes it even worse is it seems to be only for the French Open, if these were genuine mental health concerns she wouldn't want to do press conferences anywhere.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd. She's pulled outta tourney and is probably punting tennis for the rest of the year. When life gives ya lemons......... quit.
I'm sure she'll be fine when the clay court season is over ;)
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Pretty sure this will land her a Nike deal worth 50 mill, and not a serve to show for it, pretty genius if you ask me.
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sa7med wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:06 pm
Pretty sure this will land her a Nike deal worth 50 mill, and not a serve to show for it, pretty genius if you ask me.
I think she already has one of those.
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It's quite outrageous at a time when people are encouraged to talk about mental health problems that she can be treated so harshly. Tennis should be about playing tennis, not public interviews.

When I suffered from severe depression, I personally didn't give a fuck about anyone who doubted it or told me it's a figment of my imagination, but it does cause a lot of extra and unnecessary distress to many people. You can't get inside the mind of another human being, so if somebody claims to be depressed or suicidal, give them some benefit of doubt.
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:43 am
It's quite outrageous at a time when people are encouraged to talk about mental health problems that she can be treated so harshly. Tennis should be about playing tennis, not public interviews.

When I suffered from severe depression, I personally didn't give a fuck about anyone who doubted it or told me it's a figment of my imagination, but it does cause a lot of extra and unnecessary distress to many people. You can't get inside the mind of another human being, so if somebody claims to be depressed or suicidal, give them some benefit of doubt.

I think there's a few sides to this though, not just mental health. It's not that I don't think she might have mental health issues but she's using it to boost her 'brand' imo. Clay courts are her weakest surface so by releasing this statement she basically pre-empted a loss. She's saying I don't want to do a presser after the match because 'when' I lose it will be too hard to sit there answering questions. She also essentially blamed the journalists for her issues because they ask the same questions again and again. No tennis player wants to do pressers when they lose unless they're a masochist but they're contractually obliged to do so. If she felt this way going into the French Open and didn't believe she could win it then why enter it in the first place? Wouldn't it make more sense to go away and work on your issues and not expose yourself to that kind of stress? She didn't do any of that because the slams are what gives the top players the most visibility so for me the whole episode was used for maximum effect to boost her profile . Even when asked about the fine for not doing press after her first match she was combative, she basically said f#$k the organisers, they can fine me all they want. If I had mental health issues around anxiety I don't think I'd want to expose myself to any more agg in that way. She's now the poster girl for mental health and getting pats on the back all over the media in the UK and the US but nobody is raising any of the points I've just made. At the very least her whole approach to this is disingenuous.

What annoys me more than anything is we now live in a world where you can't criticise anybody unless they're a straight white male. If you criticise Osaka you're automatically dismissive of mental health issues, a nailed on sexist and probably a bit of a racist too (I'm sure that will raise its head in the coming weeks). Criticise a female football pundit and you're sexist (even though most of them are as crap as the blokes), criticise a black pundit and you're racist ( I love watching Micah Richards, but he's a crap pundit). TV companies are constantly saying give us your thoughts using the hashtag xxx but when anybody criticise a pundit its ignored.

We essentially now live in a CNN world. Every time you turn on the tv you're being lectured to on how to talk to people, constantly being told that treating people with respect is no longer enough. You have to do this, you need to do that... People have stuff going on in their own lives, not everyone has the time to go on marches or to spend hours on Twitter giving half baked opinions on stuff they think they understand because they read an article on it once or because their favourite artist wrote a song about it.

I probably should have put this in the rant corner! :D

I'll end on a positive note though! I watched the Indy500 on Sunday, it was on Sky and the host broadcaster I think was NBC. At the end of the race the winning driver was been congratulated by other drivers and there were f-bombs being dropped everywhere! The NBC comms didn't even acknowledge it let alone trot out the 'apologies if anyone was offended crap'. Of course as soon as it got back to the Sky studio the apologies started to fly!
JuiceyJones
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:43 am
It's quite outrageous at a time when people are encouraged to talk about mental health problems that she can be treated so harshly. Tennis should be about playing tennis, not public interviews.

When I suffered from severe depression, I personally didn't give a fuck about anyone who doubted it or told me it's a figment of my imagination, but it does cause a lot of extra and unnecessary distress to many people. You can't get inside the mind of another human being, so if somebody claims to be depressed or suicidal, give them some benefit of doubt.
Maybe. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Being a victim these days is more and more being linked with empowerment for some reason I don't understand (specific to social media).. But, there are a lot of things I don't understand.

Per Trader Pat. Probably not the correct place for this.
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:18 pm
Per Trader Pat. Probably not the correct place for this.
Which part?
JuiceyJones
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Trader Pat wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:38 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:18 pm
Per Trader Pat. Probably not the correct place for this.
Which part?
Putting my post in tennis forum.
Trader Pat
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JuiceyJones wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:44 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:38 pm
JuiceyJones wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:18 pm
Per Trader Pat. Probably not the correct place for this.
Which part?
Putting my post in tennis forum.
It's tennis related so I think it's in the right place.

The second half of my post probably should be somewhere else I got a bit sidetracked, but didn't want to be creating a new thread for my rant! :D
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