Today's Horse Racing

[cyxstudio]

15:30 southwell there was a close call and betting was still available after race over. Unnotice was available to be laid at 10.5

has there ever been a situation where the horse with higher odds is declared winner? if no i would put my house on the lay on the horse with higher odds next time?

Yes there have been hundreds of instances over the years ... Newcastle of late has been notorious for this I can recall three instances in the last month or so

okay wont put my house on definitely

[SeaHorseRacing]

Someone defenitely was maniplating the Bags Groove there in order to get 50k on the back side

[boardrep]

SHR ...most races are manipulated in one way or another just watch anytime any race for the holding money pre race or in play then be on the right side of it for the right length of time ha

[SeaHorseRacing]

What is going on with racing lately. I have seen a real change in the markets in just a year.

It appears punters have no idea of value. If this continues this way it pobably be worth just becomming a straight gambler and placing masssive value backs and lays. Crazy

[andyrich666]

How can you do big lumps to manipulate a market (which I thought was not legal anyhow), my exposure is only 5k, but if I thought I could make 5k profit with a 75k back then I would want to do it,

so far since I started this I have lost 10k maybe a bit more, I would love to just do one 75k back and lay for say somewhere between 7 and 14 ticks.

At the moment I am struggling to sleep to think how to do this, there is no rush but I don't think 7 ticks is a huge risk, even a antepost bet, just to grab some of my loss back and start a fresh.

[spreadbetting]

How can you do big lumps to manipulate a market (which I thought was not legal anyhow), my exposure is only 5k, but if I thought I could make 5k profit with a 75k back then I would want to do it,

so far since I started this I have lost 10k maybe a bit more, I would love to just do one 75k back and lay for say somewhere between 7 and 14 ticks.

At the moment I am struggling to sleep to think how to do this, there is no rush but I don't think 7 ticks is a huge risk, even a antepost bet, just to grab some of my loss back and start a fresh.

I think the correct term for that is chasing.

Markets will always find their own level you can only manipulate prices for very short periods and even then you have to hope there's no one in the market with real knowledge prepared to take a view against you.

[Euler]

Some big money jumping into the markets today

[steven1976]

How can you do big lumps to manipulate a market (which I thought was not legal anyhow), my exposure is only 5k, but if I thought I could make 5k profit with a 75k back then I would want to do it,

so far since I started this I have lost 10k maybe a bit more, I would love to just do one 75k back and lay for say somewhere between 7 and 14 ticks.

At the moment I am struggling to sleep to think how to do this, there is no rush but I don't think 7 ticks is a huge risk, even a antepost bet, just to grab some of my loss back and start a fresh.

Remember there is always likely to be a bigger fish than you, who is waiting to see 5K sat there to be put into a loosing position

[Halliday]

Is Newcastle ( All Weather ) a particularly difficult market to predict,just looked at a few of the races today( mainly top three runners for volume)and the odds have seemed to go up and down over quite a range with some sudden spikes.
Has Newcastle always been like this, I know there used to be quite a draw bias over certain distances, but apparently they have done some work to the track to level things out,
And the consensus now seems to be that you could run most of the races over again and again and get a different result

[kerberus]

2+2= 5 ? Dunno if this is total paranoia or whatever.

Price Rush.PNG

Anybody correlating "Price Rush" with "exchange insanity", or charts going so exponential they almost fall back on themselves. Or maybe I need a psickologist?

[andyrich666]

How can you do big lumps to manipulate a market (which I thought was not legal anyhow), my exposure is only 5k, but if I thought I could make 5k profit with a 75k back then I would want to do it,

so far since I started this I have lost 10k maybe a bit more, I would love to just do one 75k back and lay for say somewhere between 7 and 14 ticks.

At the moment I am struggling to sleep to think how to do this, there is no rush but I don't think 7 ticks is a huge risk, even a antepost bet, just to grab some of my loss back and start a fresh.

Remember there is always likely to be a bigger fish than you, who is waiting to see 5K sat there to be put into a loosing position

But I was also considering one that was a very well backed super odds on fav, hoping the price would come down,today would have been the perfect day for it.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I see where you are comming from but I would say that traders/betters using these very large stakes know where the market is going and they know what to do.
So if someone takes out there money they know exactly what to do.

Using large stakes will put you into problems. Unless you catch a move bang on I would say it is too high risk. All it takes is that one gambler who wants to put 60k in the markets as there loading in the stalls.

[dt888]

There is no worse feeling than absolutely nailing a race then in the last 60 seconds doing something stupid that wipes away half of the profit that you have just spent the last 5 minutes building up

[SeaHorseRacing]

There is no worse feeling than absolutely nailing a race then in the last 60 seconds doing something stupid that wipes away half of the profit that you have just spent the last 5 minutes building up

Funny you should say that, that is one of my biggest flaws which I am working on. My first trades a pretty good, patient, discipline focused. win or loss after the first trade its the next I bugger up in the same market.
Working on this.

[spreadbetting]

There is no worse feeling than absolutely nailing a race then in the last 60 seconds doing something stupid that wipes away half of the profit that you have just spent the last 5 minutes building up

Funny you should say that, that is one of my biggest flaws which I am working on. My first trades a pretty good, patient, discipline focused. win or loss after the first trade its the next I bugger up in the same market.
Working on this.

Is it really a flaw or is it just the way you're perceiving it because it's your last trade of the day?

What I'm sayimg is are you doing anything different in that last trade (chasing/playing up profits?) just because it's your last trade of the day? Sometimes it's very easy to see thing in finite periods , like days ,weeks etc when the reality is you should be lloking in terms of maybe months or years.