Jean Delesse - Professional Betfair trader (scam)

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bigfatwinner
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:Yes that's the scam that was being highlighted before. Using somebody's account to place bets that were being matched on his own

He basically had a big bet on Celtic, that went wrong and scammed you for the rest

Betfair fraud department owe it to all their customers to investigate the trail you have given. They must be able to identify what accounts matched the 1.01 back bets

Sorry for being thick....but if you back something that has odds of 1.01, then how can you lose that bet? Isn't that a certainty to win at those low odds?

Also, let's say he did double my 5k and win our trust and then we put in 50k into our BF. In order to scam all of that wouldn't he also need 50k in his mirror accounts to match that and perform the opposing bets? He didn't sound like he had any money to his name. There was 5k in our BF account....so why didn't he place all of that on losing bets at the beginning and make 5k for himself? If that's what he did at the end with the remaining 2k.
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bigfatwinner wrote: Sorry for being thick....but if you back something that has odds of 1.01, then how can you lose that bet? Isn't that a certainty to win at those low odds?

Also, let's say he did double my 5k and win our trust and then we put in 50k into our BF. In order to scam all of that wouldn't he also need 50k in his mirror accounts to match that and perform the opposing bets? He didn't sound like he had any money to his name. There was 5k in our BF account....so why didn't he place all of that on losing bets at the beginning and make 5k for himself? If that's what he did at the end with the remaining 2k.
Not everything wins at 1.01.

But in any case, he finds an out of the way market and suddenly you have backed in something very obscure at 1.01 (where the true odds once the market forms are 1000). Oh and for your 50K, he only needs 500 in his account at 1.01. And then if he is really smart he greens out at 1000 so even if the weird bet comes in, he still walks away with the money.
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bigfatwinner
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Euler wrote:When I've spoken to Betfair about this in the past they indicated that if the customer willingly gave their details over there isn't much they can do. But you would think that closing a known fraudster account should be of interest to them. But I guess you would need a group of people to come forward and complain.

As it is, people don't like to say they have been caught out so few people come forward and the con continues.
I have no issues with admitting when I've been scammed! It's not the first time and won't be the last. I don't understand people that are too proud to admit it. Some you win some you lose.

I have already published his ip address here if Betfair are interested in closing him down. But probably be he sounds like someone from Africa using a VPN so not sure how they can know what his account is if he's just going into other people's account. But like someone said, it's very easy to locate the opposing 1.01 matches on those bets on my account. Betfair won't do anything... Why kill a cash cow?
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bigfatwinner wrote: if you back something that has odds of 1.01, then how can you lose that bet? Isn't that a certainty to win at those low odds?
That's a very strange thing to say from someone who says they understand markets, and is in the "private equity business", really? and ..."zero lag, which is what we do with HFT" ?... That's odd because nobody, anywhere, ever...has got zero lag.

If all 1.01's won, don't you think everyone would be doing it? You don't even have to do the maths to know that, it's just common sense...or is everyone else so stupid and can't see it?

But if that's your logic....I've got a pile of penny shares and ZWD if you want to buy some? Very good price, so low they're certain to go up.
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ShaunWhite
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bigfatwinner wrote:if he turned the 5k into 10k in a week we would have probably used some client funds between 50k to 100k
Seriously ? :o

What's your company name ? You should be on the same list as this Jean Delesse.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
bigfatwinner wrote:if he turned the 5k into 10k in a week we would have probably used some client funds between 50k to 100k
Seriously ? :o

What's your company name ? You should be on the same list as this Jean Delesse.

:lol: :D

this one was seriously good!
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bigfatwinner
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ShaunWhite wrote:
bigfatwinner wrote: if you back something that has odds of 1.01, then how can you lose that bet? Isn't that a certainty to win at those low odds?
That's a very strange thing to say from someone who says they understand markets, and is in the "private equity business", really? and ..."zero lag, which is what we do with HFT" ?... That's odd because nobody, anywhere, ever...has got zero lag.

If all 1.01's won, don't you think everyone would be doing it? You don't even have to do the maths to know that, it's just common sense...or is everyone else so stupid and can't see it?

But if that's your logic....I've got a pile of penny shares and ZWD if you want to buy some? Very good price, so low they're certain to go up.
You seem to take things literally....ok not zero lag but very very very fast. why you think all these Fx companies put their buildings near fast fiber optic exchanges and invest millions in cables? We trade Fx and Indices so yeah I know about Fx and Indices but if you read what I said I know nothing about Sports Exchanges or this form of gambling, I just know it's gambling no matter how much people say it's not. Can you not do maths? If something is at odds of 1.01 then 99 times out of a hundred you will win that bet. You shouldn't lose that bet 5x out of 5 which is what happened with the bets on our account.

You seem to be shocked I can lose 5k and can risk more? I've lost much more than that before and will lose more than that in the future! If you have a decent proposal I'm always listening :) :) :)
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bigfatwinner
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This is Jean Delesse or Pro Trader skype ID. If anyone wants to get his hopes up and string him along a bit.

Probably he has changed all his fake IDs by now, but he still won't be able to spell correctly.
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to75ne
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bigfatwinner wrote: Can you not do maths? If something is at odds of 1.01 then 99 times out of a hundred you will win that bet. You shouldn't lose that bet 5x out of 5 which is what happened with the bets on our account.
why should you not "lose 5 times out of 5" at 1.01?

the probability is low but not impossible or unusual.
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Naffman
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Very unlikely considering its on a game with no liquidity and this guy has a history of self matching :lol:
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bigfatwinner wrote: Sorry for being thick....but if you back something that has odds of 1.01, then how can you lose that bet? Isn't that a certainty to win at those low odds?
It's because those selections were never 1.01 in their probability of winning. HT/FT on Argentinian markets (especially women's football) will have such low liquidity that the market was probably empty of bets. He offered 1.01 on a selection from his own account - £2000 at 1.01 means he only had to put £20 down as a liability. The real price wasn't 1.01, the bookies may have been offering 5.50, but due to the fact nobody was interested in the market, his price was the only bet being offered. He then used your account to back the selection at 1.01, so his lay bet got matched. The bet wasn't a winner, so your account was emptied, whereas his account has just been accredited with £2000 minus commission. Of course, had it won he would have just done the same thing on another selection, until eventually he found a loser for you
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LeTiss
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As I've said earlier on this thread - if Betfair's fraud department spent less time worrying about flipping PC payments, and spent more time unearthing genuine fraudsters that would be nice

They must be able to see for themselves what account or accounts matched those 1.01 Argentinian bets. This would very quickly lead them to an individual, where the fraud department can then analyse his account's activity over the past 3-5 years.

It wouldn't take long surely to put together a case of fraudulent behaviour against him?
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Naffman
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:As I've said earlier on this thread - if Betfair's fraud department spent less time worrying about flipping PC payments, and spent more time unearthing genuine fraudsters that would be nice
If only hey ;)

Then it would be so much easier to get around PC :lol:
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I think the phone number on the Skype is incorrect as the 0 after the international code +33 should be dropped for international calls and the +33 dropped for domestic calls, it's extremely rare for the 0 to be kept for international calls in my experience.

A quick google of the mobile number 0624311458 returns a few results:
http://francy-annu.com/B/BENHAMMOUDA-1.php being the most interesting one.

Michel Benhammouda from Rue Robert Noue, 17140, Lagord, France
has the same phone number as Mr Delesse's skype profile, quite a coincidence. Maybe they share the same phone :? Eww maybe they share the same underpants too! :o :lol:
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Trader_Tom
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I don't even know where to start with this. The whole thing has me completely shocked for so many reasons so I'm just going to leave it be haha.

What is admirable though is your ability to come on here and admit fault for the betterment of the greater good.

Please please please please be more skeptical in the future though. I don't think I can take it knowing you're out there getting scammed any more :shock:
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