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Iron
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I tried to close a trade today, but was unable to do so. I got a message saying that I would be exceeding my maximum liability of £1,000.

I assumed that this was something to do with my Betfair account settings, and rung Betfair up (and luckily, I was able to close the trade for a small loss before the race started).

Can I suggest that it be made clearer that the £1,000 maximum relates to Bet Angel, with instructions on how to change it? It might be easy enough to work out, but clear and logical thinking isn't always easy to come by when you're 3 minutes away from losing a few hundred pounds! :)

Alternatively, can the software be made to look at what the liability would be after the trade has been closed, rather than the liability of the bet or lay itself?

Thanks

Jeff
PeterLe
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Hi Jeff
Ha ha!! I can relate to the panic that set in?!! But you should have known where this was if you are using large stakes..

By the way;Your Betfair liability is £5k as default...but they will increase it if you drop them an email..
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Peter
Iron
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Hi Peter

To be honest, it didn't occur to me that it would be an issue. The only reason my liability was going to be that high was because I was laying a horse trading at about 5.5. I'm not yet at the stage where I can start massively increasing my stakes (the market would slaughter me!).

But with hindsight, I should have checked my settings! :)

Jeff
PeterLe wrote:Hi Jeff
Ha ha!! I can relate to the panic that set in?!! But you should have known where this was if you are using large stakes..

By the way;Your Betfair liability is £5k as default...but they will increase it if you drop them an email..
Regards
Peter
rubysglory
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Ferru123 wrote:Alternatively, can the software be made to look at what the liability would be after the trade has been closed, rather than the liability of the bet or lay itself?
Thanks

Jeff
Fair question as the second bet (the trade) may be the opposing bet for multiple smaller bets which as singular bets did not exceed your liability.

rg
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marqasa
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Just to clarify this; if I place a back bet of £10 at odds of 10, if the price then comes in to 9 I will need at least £80 of available funds to close the trade, even though doing so will result in a no lose situation. Is that correct?
Iron
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No - with one exception to that rule.

Let's say that in a particular race, you backed a horse prior to the off, and laid it during the race to green up. And let's say that a favourite withdrew just before the off, and the Rule 4 deductions were only applied after the race had finished. Let's assume that this means that you would eventually end up in the red for that race, not the green.

You move onto the next race, thinking that you'd greened up in the previous race. You bet £10 on a horse at 10.0 (and for the sake of argument, let's assume that's your entire bank). Soon thereafter, Betfair settle the previous race. The price later drops to 9.0. You try to green up. But Betfair won't let you. The reason for this is that, as far as Betfair is concerned, you have a negative balance! As a result, you won't be able to place your lay (even though doing so would put you firmly back in the green!).

It's a flaw in Betfair's software (and an amateurish one at that IMHO), but if you lose out because of it, I'd be amazed if they refunded you!

You can also get stung if Betfair apply a data request charge whilst you have a trade open. This happened to me, and they didn't notify me in advance of the charge.

I hope that helps.

Jeff
marqasa wrote:Just to clarify this; if I place a back bet of £10 at odds of 10, if the price then comes in to 9 I will need at least £80 of available funds to close the trade, even though doing so will result in a no lose situation. Is that correct?
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marqasa
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Thanks Jeff,

So under normal circumstances, with a bank of just £10, I can back a horse with the full £10 and then green up when the price comes in without needing more funds in my Betfair account?
Iron
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That's right.

Jeff
marqasa wrote:Thanks Jeff,

So under normal circumstances, with a bank of just £10, I can back a horse with the full £10 and then green up when the price comes in without needing more funds in my Betfair account?
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JollyGreen
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If you find this happening because you have over staked then change the closing amount to a small level. If you are using £50 for example but laying back would exceed your bank then close the position using the smaller amount will not bring up the annoying error message.

You don't have to be exact and can just use £10 multiple times. It is better than not being to close out and panicking......yes I have done it too!
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