EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

[firlandsfarm]

But certain things like roads, power, health, education, housing & policing all require joined up thinking not often found in private enterprise. The problem with nationalisation wasn't nationalisation per se, it was the way it was being managed. If that happens in business you change the management team, not sell the company. I wonder how many billions have been lost in national income, lost to the shareholders of these companies.

Well that was an interesting read, I had never ever thought of some in your list as nationalised but clearly you are right, some are nationalised services. Surprised you left Water out. But I don't agree with Power and I think Housing should be a shared market, private and public. I think the problem with the way they have been managed in the past is they are monopolies and as such are inefficient.

[Dallas]

Tomorrow and this week in Westminster could be better than any reality TV we've had in years

[BetBuddy]

Tomorrow and this week in Westminster could be better than any reality TV we've had in years

My prediction, for what it's worth.....

- Parliament will create and pass a new law preventing the PM / Government from leaving the EU without a deal.
- Parliament will be asked to agree to a General Election with a date after the 31st October. They will refuse and send the PM back to Brussels and ask for a deal and/or an extension. Neither will be granted by the EU.
- The PM will call for a General Election at the earliest possible date. 24th October. Rebel Tory MP's will basically be sacked and unable to stand at the election.
- During the campaign the PM will put Parliament against the electorate.

What happens next has three paths:

1. Hung parliament. We carry on with the same situation until 2021.
2. Labour sweep to power. Personally i cant see that happening, more chance of seeing Elvis in Tesco's.
3. The Tories are swept back to power with a majority of 30, without the DUP. We leave the EU on 30th November 2019.

A global recession is looming. Whatever happens, i think allot of people are going to lose their jobs and homes....

[Euler]

I don't think the EU will give any concessions as it's a political project as opposed to anything else, so even economic rationale will not push them into a 'deal'.

So I think that will be used as final proof that the EU is a bully and we have no future in it.

I think it's embarrassing that the politicians can't bang their heads together on this. It was always going to be tough, but they should reach some sort of agreement rather than just say no to everything.

Can you imagine if war broke out? The enemy could just invade while Westminster tried to decided if there was or wasn't a threat and what to do about it.

[Dallas]

One of my first thoughts after the referendum result was how on Earth 27 different countries each with different relationships with the UK are ever going to agree on an exit deal.
Turns out we couldn't get 27 MP's or a government to agree on what they want!

[BetBuddy]

Can someone tell me why we bothered to help liberate most of Europe twice as it was very unlikely Germany would have invaded the UK ?

[greenmark]

Can someone tell me why a community of 500 million can't come up with a technological solution to the Irish border problem.
After 3 years it's still 'no such technology exists in the world'.
It would wipe away the backstop and we'd have an agreement and could get on with things.
Both the UK and EU have done nothing productive to produce a tech solution.
It baffles me. No deal damages the EU and UK.

[BetBuddy]

Can someone tell me why a community of 500 million can't come up with a technological solution to the Irish border problem.
After 3 years it's still 'no such technology exists in the world'.
It would wipe away the backstop and we'd have an agreement and could get on with things.
Both the UK and EU have done nothing productive to produce a tech solution.
It baffles me. No deal damages the EU and UK.

It already exists in Sweden. They been doing it since 2009. Works perfectly, so I read.

[Euler]

There is a slightly less favoured model in Switzerland also.

[greenmark]

Think you're both talking about tariffs. But the EU requires livestock from third countrys to be subject to a vets check. Unless you could do that away from the border, you would have to have a hard border.
Or am I wrong? Quite probably.
Between Sweden/Norway "It is highly efficient, but certainly not entirely frictionless." So does that mean a hard border, even if it takes 20 minutes. It's the hard border that is the political hot potato.
Swizterland/France border
"The Swiss border is often held up as an example of what could be achieved in Ireland, but here too there is physical infrastructure at all the main crossings - it is a hard border."

[BetBuddy]

Think you're both talking about tariffs. But the EU requires livestock from third countrys to be subject to a vets check. Unless you could do that away from the border, you would have to have a hard border.
Or am I wrong? Quite probably.
Between Sweden/Norway "It is highly efficient, but certainly not entirely frictionless." So does that mean a hard border, even if it takes 20 minutes. It's the hard border that is the political hot potato.
Swizterland/France border
"The Swiss border is often held up as an example of what could be achieved in Ireland, but here too there is physical infrastructure at all the main crossings - it is a hard border."

Between Sweden and Norway on average takes 33 minutes for a Truck carrying goods and/or livestock to be electronically checked and a random complete inspection of 1 in 4 trucks. Is it perfect, no, does it work, yes. To give you an example, Gun laws in Sweden are very strict on what can be owned legally by a private citizen, In Norway, less so. Meaning, people will often order or go and collect firearms in Norway and attempt to bring them back to Sweden. In 2017 (most upto date data) 93% of firearms going to Sweden were stopped, seized and confiscated. Yes, one could argue that 7% got through but then one could argue that 42% of all illegal firearms in Germany come from eastern Europe, so they and the EU obviously have a massive problem from that region. Are they making a song and dance about it, no, didn't think so. The EU want the UK to remain part of their club purley for security purposes. There is a little know group called the 5 eyed group of countries make up of USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Their share security information and pass it onto Europe via the UK. If the UK leaves the EU then that information stays within the 5 eyed group and cannot be passed on unless all 5 members agree. The EU has always been about money and power. Losing £39 billion is probably peanuts to the EU but losing access too information which could protect their citizens is priceless if the details were ever made public during a terrorist event!!! Think about it.

[greenmark]

But thats a hard border. I don't doubt its efficient. Its the presence of any kind of hard border thats contentious.
I have read that the Provisional IRA as a military force is gone. But the border is something that both sides in NI can use to further stagnate or even reverse the Good Friday Agreement.
So we return to the question. A technolgical solution that removes the possibility of a hard Irish border.
I''m not trying to win an argument.
I'm asking questions of the wise owls on here. Thats all.

[ruthlessimon]

better than any reality TV

More interviews like this please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMu17LvBj7E

[to75ne]

i think its hilarious that johnson as turned out to be the worst prime minister the uk as ever had, bigger failure than may and achieved failure much quicker than may, or does the speed of failure make him better than may not sure.

[Emmson]

Masterful!