Maria's Laying system

[firlandsfarm]

It is possible (although no-one knows) she used the Adrian Massey ratings to find the Lay selections. Although the ratings are no longer around …

Adrian's still there … if you have a log-in then use … http://www.adrianmassey.com/web1/home.php If not and just guesting use … http://www.adrianmassey.com/web1/index.php

I'm not sure there is still a forum facility but there was a Maria on them when he went off-air and she was involved in keeping the forum running when the ratings previously closed.

[MemphisFlash]

https://youtu.be/c4XXhD4qmyU

[jimibt]

https://youtu.be/c4XXhD4qmyU

thanks for the link, watched the video. just need to figure who this bloody Forum FRED is that he keeps referring to - he must be the key!!

[Pjhaynes2]

No staking plan will work with poor selections (as a few have already pointed out)
The whole con with the Maria plan is similar to what price wise does with his selections. Basically he puts up random selections that are priced at say... 8.0 and claimed he got on at 10’s when that price was NEVER available. All Maria’s results were based off inflated prices

[firlandsfarm]

All Maria’s results were based off inflated prices

She was laying so deflated prices But I agree that no amount of staking magic can turn loss making selections into profit and I further doubt it because towards the end she would have been staking quite large amounts. It would be interest if someone has a laying system and then applied her staking plan to see if it enhanced the returns.

[Derek27]

The staking plan is just an application of common sense - nothing groundbreaking.

Those sort of claims doesn't hold much weight unless they're verified with a P/L. It would be all too easy to wait for a quick 4>6 drift, then claim that you laid it at 4 for whatever amount was matched at 4.

[MemphisFlash]

i have the forum thread in a PDF if anyone interested

[Black Ladder]

I agree with everyone that a staking, loss recovery plan is not something you should include in your toolbox. But you should focus on your selection process, edge, and trading principles.
I'm a gambler and don't use any staking, loss recovery in my day to day operations. I do have losses, but have learnt over time how to manage them.
Perhaps one of you professional traders on here could backtest a Maria staking plan on a well known strategy with high strike rate like the Third favourite, and report your findings.
Am I correct in saying that Maria is in fact Adrian MASSEY's pen name, and a member of Bet Angel forum.

[Derek27]

I agree with everyone that a staking, loss recovery plan is not something you should include in your toolbox. But you should focus on your selection process, edge, and trading principles.
I'm a gambler and don't use any staking, loss recovery in my day to day operations. I do have losses, but have learnt over time how to manage them.
Perhaps one of you professional traders on here could backtest a Maria staking plan on a well known strategy with high strike rate like the Third favourite, and report your findings.
Am I correct in saying that Maria is in fact Adrian MASSEY's pen name, and a member of Bet Angel forum.

The staking plan is irrelevant, it's the choice of selections that's the be-all and end-all.

[wearthefoxhat]

Here's a cheeky spready that can record and calculate Maria Lay Stakes as you go along. It was freely downloaded a while back from a website that still exists, so should be no problem sharing it.

Before you edit it, it may come up as protected, but you can edit anyway.

The cells for entry of data are;

Date
Selection
Odds (If over 11.00 it will move on to next one without calculating)
Result W - Win for the system, L - Loss for the system or N - for No Bet or Non-Runner

Start Bank in cell F10 gets automatically carried to K17.
At the end of the day, a new Start bank in a new row, can be entered, the spready continues as normal. (or just let the initial start bank go on).

I've entered a range of odds to show how it looks. (obvs can be deleted)

MLaySheet.xls

[Euler]

I'd be interested in anybody has done any analysis on the selections. As I can't see anything special about 'Marias' system. I've always struggle to understand these sorts of fads and why they are so popular?

[wearthefoxhat]

I'd be interested in anybody has done any analysis on the selections. As I can't see anything special about 'Marias' system. I've always struggle to understand these sorts of fads and why they are so popular?

A large majority were Handicaps. If I remember at the time, there was no obvious "system" correlation, ie; 2nd LTO within x number of days..etc. I also recall looking at the Massey ratings for a pattern, there seemed to something there, but I think "Maria" threw a few extra ones to throw everyone off the trail.

She has a good grasp of form and horse racing overall as on other threads she responded with detailed analysis on why a selection could run poorly.

The main thing I took from it, as said, was that with good discipline and money management, and a little hard work, with a consistent set of ratings/scores, anyone could do something similar.

Maybe £300 to £10,000 is a more realistic test and affordable for many.

[spreadbetting]

I'd be interested in anybody has done any analysis on the selections. As I can't see anything special about 'Marias' system. I've always struggle to understand these sorts of fads and why they are so popular?

They're popular because the majority of people love the idea they can make fortunes from simple systems that require little, if any, effort on their part.

[spock]

I agree with everyone that a staking, loss recovery plan is not something you should include in your toolbox. But you should focus on your selection process, edge, and trading principles.
I'm a gambler and don't use any staking, loss recovery in my day to day operations. I do have losses, but have learnt over time how to manage them.
Perhaps one of you professional traders on here could backtest a Maria staking plan on a well known strategy with high strike rate like the Third favourite, and report your findings.
Am I correct in saying that Maria is in fact Adrian MASSEY's pen name, and a member of Bet Angel forum.

The staking plan is irrelevant, it's the choice of selections that's the be-all and end-all.

I don't know where the idea that Maria might be Adrian Massey comes from.

[Derek27]

I agree with everyone that a staking, loss recovery plan is not something you should include in your toolbox. But you should focus on your selection process, edge, and trading principles.
I'm a gambler and don't use any staking, loss recovery in my day to day operations. I do have losses, but have learnt over time how to manage them.
Perhaps one of you professional traders on here could backtest a Maria staking plan on a well known strategy with high strike rate like the Third favourite, and report your findings.
Am I correct in saying that Maria is in fact Adrian MASSEY's pen name, and a member of Bet Angel forum.

The staking plan is irrelevant, it's the choice of selections that's the be-all and end-all.

I don't know where the idea that Maria might be Adrian Massey comes from.

Perhaps I wouldn't like to lay with Maria after all.

Don't know why she's been described as a young woman when nobody has ever seen her/him!