Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Trader Pat]

Guardiola's mother dies of Coronavirus

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... oronavirus

[alexmr2]

Can't believe Dr Catherine Calderwood, the Scottish chief hypocrite and medical officer, is allowed to keep her job after blatantly ignoring her own advice. What sort of encouragement does it send to people stuck in flats and tower blocks during nice weather if she can make weekend visits to her second home?

Don't know if the police have the power to fine up there but she should have the book thrown at her as well as lose her job.

Stupid of Nicola Sturgeon to stand by her, but she's resigned now.

Apparently, it was a mistake due to human error. Much like a bank robber getting caught, a mistake and PR error made by a human.

Although it's very hypocritical and obviously frustrating that she done that given her position, I really don't think the right approach was to have the media put all eyes on her to blasted by the angry mob. Since she done it twice a fine would have sufficed. Now that it has already been done and all over the media it's not an ideal situation to keep her as the face of the campaign

I think it's a dangerous trend when a highly experienced person loses their job for a relatively minor mistake (compared to what the average person has been doing re: ignoring social distancing rules), not just for her own sake but for the sake of everyone after losing her experience and having to find someone to replace them without any warning. This is a time when we should be working together looking at the bigger picture, not looking for flaws and wasting time focusing on them for a couple of days. If we fired every doctor, engineer, teacher every time they made a minor mistake the country would be screwed

[Derek27]

Can't believe Dr Catherine Calderwood, the Scottish chief hypocrite and medical officer, is allowed to keep her job after blatantly ignoring her own advice. What sort of encouragement does it send to people stuck in flats and tower blocks during nice weather if she can make weekend visits to her second home?

Don't know if the police have the power to fine up there but she should have the book thrown at her as well as lose her job.

Stupid of Nicola Sturgeon to stand by her, but she's resigned now.

Apparently, it was a mistake due to human error. Much like a bank robber getting caught, a mistake and PR error made by a human.

Although it's very hypocritical and obviously frustrating that she done that given her position, I really don't think the right approach was to have the media put all eyes on her to blasted by the angry mob. Since she done it twice a fine would have sufficed. Now that it has already been done and all over the media it's not an ideal situation to keep her as the face of the campaign

I think it's a dangerous trend when a highly experienced person loses their job for a relatively minor mistake (compared to what the average person has been doing re: ignoring social distancing rules), not just for her own sake but for the sake of everyone after losing her experience and having to find someone to replace them without any warning. This is a time when we should be working together looking at the bigger picture, not looking for flaws and wasting time focusing on them for a couple of days. If we fired every doctor, engineer, teacher every time they made a minor mistake the country would be screwed

No way can you call that a minor mistake and how could anyone have any confidence in her with a complete disregard to social distancing? NHS staff are exhausted and literally begging people to stay at home, yet as a chief medical officer she couldn't care any less about them!

[Emmson]

Unfortunately this is a pay wall article - https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-e ... 406-p54hie

FYI with a bit of creativity one can get around paywall articles in a number of ways. When you refresh the page you get a split second before it locks down, during which you can quickly press ctrl+a to select all text and copy paste it in notepad to read, or take a quick screenshot, or record a video etc.

This could be useful info to know

[greenmark]

Stupid of Nicola Sturgeon to stand by her, but she's resigned now.

Apparently, it was a mistake due to human error. Much like a bank robber getting caught, a mistake and PR error made by a human.

Although it's very hypocritical and obviously frustrating that she done that given her position, I really don't think the right approach was to have the media put all eyes on her to blasted by the angry mob. Since she done it twice a fine would have sufficed. Now that it has already been done and all over the media it's not an ideal situation to keep her as the face of the campaign

I think it's a dangerous trend when a highly experienced person loses their job for a relatively minor mistake (compared to what the average person has been doing re: ignoring social distancing rules), not just for her own sake but for the sake of everyone after losing her experience and having to find someone to replace them without any warning. This is a time when we should be working together looking at the bigger picture, not looking for flaws and wasting time focusing on them for a couple of days. If we fired every doctor, engineer, teacher every time they made a minor mistake the country would be screwed

No way can you call that a minor mistake and how could anyone have any confidence in her with a complete disregard to social distancing? NHS staff are exhausted and literally begging people to stay at home, yet as a chief medical officer she couldn't care any less about them!

Well, I know a bit about Edinburgh and Earlesferry. Its blindingly obvious that she wanted to run for the seclusion of Earlesferry. The vast majority of people don't have that option, but more importantly, she was potentially carrying virus from Edinburgh to a community that has a higher proportion of vulnerable people. But why do even very clever people not get that social interaction and movement is a vector that the virus rubs its hands over.

[rik]

I'm not at all surprised that such an article comes from a financial newspaper. But it's nevertheless very impressive how they were able to accurately measure the value of human life, maybe that should have been the article title.

For sure its a bit clinical to analyse worth of human life like that, but the fact is there is a point where the measures taken aren't worth it.
England spends quite a bit less on their health system than other European Countries, they had trouble not having enough beds or qualified doctors without the Virus before, people not getting the right care etc
Wether you agree on the budget or not it shows that there is a balance somewhere, otherwise government would just spend most their budget on health and security
They could have been way better equipped for a situation we have now if they had stockpiled more equipment for extremely little cost compared to economic shutdown, more ICU beds, ive seen a couple of interviews with scientists being very frustrated with lack of funding for general flu vaccines and research into this area before this outbreak
Easy to say human life is priceless, fact is 60million people had a shitty month as well now, my uncle already lost his business what he worked for half his life thats also a disaster
700000 people die every year in england, so far the covid deaths are hardly registered on the curve and a lot of them ill and old already
The Covid deaths are preventable so you knowingly trade them in for whatever it takes to stop them, however there needs to be some rational analysis even thats unpopular with the general public
what if they cant get a vaccine any time soon, how long you want to live in fear and have restrictions on you
I agree with the lockdown for now, but need to have some competent people looking at the overall and long term effects not just being populist

[jamesg46]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com

When I look at the USA on this dashboard I can't help but think to myself that Trump's border wall did a fine job for the Mexicans.

[alexmr2]

No way can you call that a minor mistake and how could anyone have any confidence in her with a complete disregard to social distancing? NHS staff are exhausted and literally begging people to stay at home, yet as a chief medical officer she couldn't care any less about them!

The lockdown seems to be very badly handled IMO, if there was 24 hours warning then people that are fortunate enough to have a second home could have been able to decide which home that they are going to stay in from then on out. I wouldn't judge someone for visiting a second home once as soon as it was announced because you never know if they have something to sort out like hide their valuables at a time when it is more likely to be robbed, or turn off the water for home insurance purposes etc. There have been many others visiting second homes or even staying at Air BnBs during the lockdown

Social distancing seems to be going pretty poor in some cases from what I have seen and heard, these are just some examples:

I have saw more people walking/cycling/running/sitting in groups/playing football outside than ever before, too many of these do not seem to understand how long 2 metres is
Face-to-face probation/social worker appointments are still going ahead for both minor criminals and serious offenders. I have read that some minor offenders have been threatened that they must still attend f2f appointments or they will be in breach of their order. In addition to this lots being released from prison early (some living in temporary shared accomodation) are going to be in probation offices, this is a recipe for disaster
I had a look at Brighton live webcam today and counted about 30 people walking/cycling past each other within a couple of minutes
Packed trains etc with some people making little effort

[jamesg46]

No way can you call that a minor mistake and how could anyone have any confidence in her with a complete disregard to social distancing? NHS staff are exhausted and literally begging people to stay at home, yet as a chief medical officer she couldn't care any less about them!

The lockdown seems to be very badly handled IMO, if there was 24 hours warning then people that are fortunate enough to have a second home could have been able to decide which home that they are going to stay in from then on out. I wouldn't judge someone for visiting a second home once as soon as it was announced because you never know if they have something to sort out like hide their valuables at a time when it is more likely to be robbed, or turn off the water for home insurance purposes etc. There have been many others visiting second homes or even staying at Air BnBs during the lockdown

Social distancing seems to be going pretty poor in some cases from what I have seen and heard, these are just some examples:

I have saw more people walking/cycling/running/sitting in groups/playing football outside than ever before, too many of these do not seem to understand how long 2 metres is
Face-to-face probation/social worker appointments are still going ahead for both minor criminals and serious offenders. I have read that some minor offenders have been threatened that they must still attend f2f appointments or they will be in breach of their order. In addition to this lots being released from prison early (some living in temporary shared accomodation) are going to be in probation offices, this is a recipe for disaster
I had a look at Brighton live webcam today and counted about 30 people walking/cycling past each other within a couple of minutes
Packed trains etc with some people making little effort

We can get live web cams? Where the hell have been, the world is ending & I'm only just learning this.

[Trader Pat]

I have saw more people walking/cycling/running/sitting in groups/playing football outside than ever before, too many of these do not seem to understand how long 2 metres is

Same here in Dublin, its nice and sunny right now and there are people strolling past my window in groups of 2&3 as if Covid 19 was just a plot in a movie. It also seems that people believe if you wear lycra you're immune to the effects of the virus and can go out with your pals. Even the local shop which last week did a great job of distancing people and ensuring everyone was 2 metres apart when queuing have just sort of given up. People queuing as normal and nobody telling them otherwise.

When you leave it to people to take responsibility for themselves they only seem to care about the greater good for a short period of time before their internal jukebox switches to Frank Sinatra's My Way.

We're doomed!

[Jukebox]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com

When I look at the USA on this dashboard I can't help but think to myself that Trump's border wall did a fine job for the Mexicans.

I'm not sure that the Mexicans are bothering/able to test or record C19 deaths they have other things to worry about.

Officially 28 dead from C19 in March, Officially 2585 homicides in March

[jamesg46]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com

When I look at the USA on this dashboard I can't help but think to myself that Trump's border wall did a fine job for the Mexicans.

I'm not sure that the Mexicans are bothering/able to test or record C19 deaths they have other things to worry about.

Officially 28 dead from C19 in March, Officially 2585 homicides in March

They have some serious anger issues.

[Dallas]

Boris Johnson admitted to intensive care

[Euler]

Shocker

[Archery1969]

Boris Johnson admitted to intensive care

Whatever anyone thinks of him, its very sad, like many others.