US Presidential Election 2020

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Derek27
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abgespaced wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:12 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:49 pm
That's not evidence
I think you'll find it most certainly is evidence. Witnesses are evidence. Affidavits and testimonies are evidence. Even what he is saying is evidence if he presented it to the court. The point is, it is up to the court to decide what is admissible or not. This might help to understand:

"Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion,[1] because evident things are undoubted. There are two kind of evidence: intellectual evidence (the obvious, the evident) and empirical evidence (proofs).

The mentioned support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence, and physical evidence.[2] The parts of a legal case which are not in controversy are known, in general, as the "facts of the case." Beyond any facts that are undisputed, a judge or jury is usually tasked with being a trier of fact for the other issues of a case. Evidence and rules are used to decide questions of fact that are disputed, some of which may be determined by the legal burden of proof relevant to the case. Evidence in certain cases (e.g. capital crimes) must be more compelling than in other situations (e.g. minor civil disputes), which drastically affects the quality and quantity of evidence necessary to decide a case."
- from wikipedia
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:49 pm
None of the witnesses spoke on camera. He claims he has more than 1000 witnesses of fraud. Let's see how many testify in court, be it in person or written statement.
Court isn't held via press conference nor are trials conducted via public opinion. Plus, with tensions being so high and threat of violence from the left so openly declared, who could blame witnesses for not wanting to speak out publicly?
THAT'S MY VERY POINT. (Sorry, capitals have become fashionable). ;) It's evidence if it's presented in court. It can even be considered evidence if it's not presented in court. He can present evidence to the news channel. The fact that court isn't held via press conference doesn't mean it's not evidence. What I'm saying is that he hasn't presented evidence either to a court or the News channels, he just keeps repeating claims to have evidence. He should either present his evidence to the media or shut up about it and present it in court.
Jukebox
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There must be something strange going on - Biden now 1.12/1.13 at 2am uk time, Trump now in single figures.
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jamesedwards
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Jukebox wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:21 am
There must be something strange going on - Biden now 1.12/1.13 at 2am uk time, Trump now in single figures.
Over £5m wanting to lay Biden now. Huge lumps of money traded in the last couple of hours.
rik
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Popular vote went 1.05/06 a recount or chnage in a couple states wouldnt change that, void election you wouldnt lose either
only somewhat realistic way i can see is large scale problem with mail in voting
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jameegray1 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:51 am
Jukebox wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:21 am
There must be something strange going on - Biden now 1.12/1.13 at 2am uk time, Trump now in single figures.
Over £5m wanting to lay Biden now. Huge lumps of money traded in the last couple of hours.
The dust settles as the UK wakes up...(me anyway)

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jamesg46
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600k ish to back Biden at 1.07 might be scratching their heads and doing a little more pondering, I'll take that little move. If any of these claims of fraud pick up any serious momentum in court then there is some bag holders on Biden, panick might cause a bit of an over reaction.

Might/if/could etc before the Biden fans get their pom poms out,.
Emmson
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In very short order 1.11 to 1.08

Not getting involved!
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Euler
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Still a very tradable market. Happy if they keep it open for a bit longer.
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Naffman
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I do love how they say Republicans call for Trump to concede - you mean the ones including Romney and Christie who hate Trump's guts :lol:

Trump got his narrative in early Wednesday morning, the media are sticking by their's, I think we will definitely know more by the end of the week.
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Euler wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:46 am
Still a very tradable market. Happy if they keep it open for a bit longer.
i assume your „cold“ trading this just trying to follow the general trend?
or combine it with having an actual judgement on what the chances are of a serious legal case and reacting to news?

For me im just sticking to my Biden bets from 3 days ago, feel they are still good even price went against me, either you think the price is too high or too low, not sure how that would change every day
i can see how scalping can work but swing trading back and forth would just be guessing for me
Archery1969
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Biden drifting and Trump shortening. Jesus, must be because more and more Republicans are now coming out and supporting the current President. It's all fun. :D
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Derek27
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Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:19 am
Biden drifting and Trump shortening. Jesus, must be because more and more Republicans are now coming out and supporting the current President. It's all fun. :D
Is Trump a gambler? ;)
NickH
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:55 am
Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:19 am
Biden drifting and Trump shortening. Jesus, must be because more and more Republicans are now coming out and supporting the current President. It's all fun. :D
Is Trump a gambler? ;)
Well he still needs to find 300mil somewhere right... :lol:
Archery1969
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:55 am
Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:19 am
Biden drifting and Trump shortening. Jesus, must be because more and more Republicans are now coming out and supporting the current President. It's all fun. :D
Is Trump a gambler? ;)
Well, he says he doesnt drink, smoke or gamble. A man of God. :lol:
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