US Presidential Election 2020

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jamesg46
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:53 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:19 pm
Just for men.
Got a link to the video? :lol:

It's been covered on Sky Press Preview but the video must be amusing. :)

Edit: found it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... conference
Wow, that was fast. My prediction was tomorrows headline.
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https://youtu.be/Nv9Js3Slr-M

Just for a balance of laughs, this guy made me chuckle.
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Betdaq have settled - I for one would find it hilarious if all these bookies/exchanges are scrambling to get their money back if the result is overturned.

But then they have their T&C's which they'll probably hide behind if their liabilities prove too big.
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jimibt wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:58 pm
Kafkaesque wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:54 pm
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Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 pm


Its not about what I perceive as true or false, thats the courts job. Ill wait and see what the outcome is before making judgement of my own. Like I said, its all about the piss take atm.
So the fact that they've already had case after case after case after case after case dismissed doesn't warrant making a judgement? To keep claiming as a matter of fact, that you've got proof, and judge after judge after judge saying: "No, you don't" doesn't warrant making a judgement?

Trump and Rudy are more like two monkeys throwing their own shit against the wall and hoping something sticks.

All the while keeping up claiming to have won the election, as though it's a fact.

And firing the man in charge of cyber security (you put in there in the first place), for having the audacity to state what is actually a fact: That the 59 leading experts have all said that it was the most secure elections in living memory.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....there's people (and politicians) on the right I fully respect and enjoy debating. Because they know their stuff, regardless of whether I agree with them, on the best way forward for the world and societies. The line is firmly drawn at Trump. Anyone defending this man is akin to those animals throwing shit against the wall in my book. Edit: That last bit wasn't as such aimed at you or your specific post in this case, James.
kaf... +1 (to the power n) - eloquently put and 100% analysis with common sense. thank you!!
‘Doing same thing again and again expecting different result is the literal definition of insanity’ said Albert Einstein.
Necessity is the mother of all inventions, and for every invention there is a thousand times failed attempts, therefore doing the same thing again and again is not necessarily a bad thing. People always go to vote the same way again and again .

Democracy is an invention of the human race necessitated by the problem of anarchism. This doesn’t mean to say the anarchists Won’t have a shot at the throne, they only need to convert +1 more follower than the opposing side and democracy will hand them the power.

There are many forms of leadership styles , some more effective than others . It’s therefore easy to see bullies using their superiority complexes to score easy shots and thereby easily ascending to power , whereas, On the other hand it’s easy to see sneaky salesmen working very well with the oppressed , where they turn a badly dealt hand into a winning hand. Power is never handed freely , you grab with a dirty game of politics.
The good thing about the democracy in the US , is the separation of powers between the , legislative, executive and judicial arms of government. This allows some checks and balances. It’s the most successful form of government known to mankind . The problem is always how to distribute the wealth , top - down /or bottom -up Socialism vs capitalism.
I personally think , Trump and Obama are a unique American productS .a mirror reflection of what America has to offer.Both represent polar opposites in leadership styles and political strategies . And it’s not long ago where the likes of Obama And anyone who aided them were assassinated (JFK and Martin L.king).

I think Rudy is an effective spin doctor , who is Running on borrowed time. He is throwing everything and anything just to secure a judgement and a chance to appeal that judgement. This will then give him a chance to take the matter to the Supreme Court , where you have the ducks qued up in a row , in favour of DT.
Remember the cowboys saying
‘ no guts no glory’
This is the wild Wild West , where the good , the bad and the ugly have the guts to go for glory.
DEMOCRACY!
End /- of my rap.
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Pence got slaughtered last night: -

https://www.businessinsider.com/reporte ... ?r=US&IR=T
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Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
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“Among free men, there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet; and that they who take such appeal are sure to lose their case, and pay the cost.”
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Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:39 am
Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
+1

And it looks further to continue as the Dems will look to go further left and Trump and Don Jr are the 2 favs for the 2024 republican nominee.
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Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:16 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:39 am
Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
+1

And it looks further to continue as the Dems will look to go further left and Trump and Don Jr are the 2 favs for the 2024 republican nominee.
I feel we are heading the same way in the UK, until we get a solid alternative somewhere centre, the middle will continue to push further left or right. Maybe my infancy in looking at politics is hindering my eyes, but I've never seen such a strong devide between left and right. Infact before 2016 I wasn't even aware of it, now it seems that's the 2 choices and morally you're expected to be in one of those 2 camps. Its rather depressing.
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:39 am
Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
Even one pack of dogs will fight over one bowl of food. ;)
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Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:16 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:39 am
Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
+1

And it looks further to continue as the Dems will look to go further left and Trump and Don Jr are the 2 favs for the 2024 republican nominee.
The idea that Biden will turn America into a communist country has come from Trump, the same man that thinks he's won a landslide victory in the election!
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:30 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:39 am
Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
I've believed for a while that they're inevitable, no matter what the outcome was, I don't think he has to incite them, the devide has organically grown serious tensions, and those tensions are at breaking point. People on both sides of the political spectrum have a deep deep hate for each other. There is no rational middle ground, its 2 packs of dogs, one bowl of food.
Even one pack of dogs will fight over one bowl of food. ;)
Thats very true, sadly we aren't dealing with one pack.
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The problem will come when they try to introduce gun controls. Assuming he wins the Senate.

Biden's website makes it very clear that he will be going after so called assault rifles and high capacity magazines for all types of firearms. That will piss of many millions of americans on both sides. Although its fairly well agreed that most people wont be handing them in or having them registered with the ATF. But once that law comes in then overnight you will ineffect have millions of people classed as a felon even though they have not been convicted in a court. I am sure that would basically tear up the constitution.

Interesting and potentially very dangerous times ahead for our friends across the pond on both sides of the polical agenda.
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Euler wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:14 am
Ultimately how far will Trump go, when all ends are closed off does he try to incite riots?
He will use his 72 millions voters as a human shield and part of his bargaining chip. He will also continue to use Twitter and probably start his own Tv channel or invest on an existing Channel where he calls the shots. That’s the true definition of weapons of mass disinformation where Donald can pull the trigger whenever he feels threatened.

Remember the müller report , the impeachment and the multiple court cases waiting for him ? This will catch up with him soon as he looses the trappings of power.
His former personal attorney ,Michael Cohen ,has a lot of Useful information that can put him behind bars.I personally believe trump will negotiate a ceasefire with President Biden to avoid the wrath and vengeance of Cohen.
Biden is a compromise candidate. Bernie sanders pulled out of the race to hand him the Democratic ticket. This might create abit of a problem, cos there are progressive democrats that are demanding retribution and wants Donie’s. Head on a pike’ .
I think the two senate seats in Georgia will set the tone.
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