US Presidential Election 2020

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Euler
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As we predicted: -

Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading President Trump’s effort to overturn the election results, has tested positive for Covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rudy-giuli ... 4?mod=e2tw
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Poll in GA by trafalgar that asks 'was the election compromised enough to change the outcome' was 53/38 in favour of 'yes' of which 75% of GOP voters agree.
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Euler wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:40 pm
As we predicted: -

Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading President Trump’s effort to overturn the election results, has tested positive for Covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rudy-giuli ... 4?mod=e2tw
I've seen him on more than one occasion blowing his nose and folding the hanky the wrong way. No doubt he'll be spreading it around and on everything he touches.
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:18 am
Zenyatta wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:03 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:22 pm

Universe under construction or is it self propelled?
Does zero 0 time exist?
if so where is zero time? is it subjective or objective?
Time is a navigational tool , it’s a way to keep track of the past Macro events. Jesus Christ died 2020 years ago. Your date of birth is a timer clock which stops on your way down five foot under.
Time has very limited effect in the quantum world,
If you knew all the information about the system, from that perspective, there would be no time. It would just be a 'block universe', where all of eternity was laid out like a painting.

But from within the system, time flows, because of the enormous complexity of the system, you create 'summarizations' of reality , by choosing to divide up reality into ;parts: individual objects. So the flow of time isn't different from consciousness itself.
Derek27 wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:56 pm

I've never understood the meaning of life question. Words, paintings, stories and poems have meanings. Things that exist my nature but were never created don't. :)
See above. Mind gives meaning to the natural world also. It's about finding goals to pursue in a positive way.

Consider a goal, and ask which goal is the most satisfying? Take trading. If your trades are too simple, you may consistency make small amounts of money, but it will just be very boring. If on the other hand, you choose very complex markets and take big risks, it may be exciting, but you will lose and be constantly frustrated, because you just won't understand what's going on. So the most satisfaction occurs when you are doing something at the 'golden mean' of complexity - not too simple and not too complex.

Now just extend the idea to the whole natural world. Treat everything as 'data' in a computer (information), and then every process you see happening will also have a complexity.

Both the flow of time itself '(physical complexity) and learning (mental complexity) have the same meaning: the balance between min and max complexity!
See above? I can't even make sense of it. ;)

Life is full of goals, enjoyment, excitement, satisfaction, etc. But none of those have meaning. They are feelings. Life is an entity. It doesn't have or need to have a meaning. :)
My tuppence worth:

The meaning of life is LOVE. You can say that God is Love, and God gave us love, or that is a chemical biological reaction, or both. But for me and almost everyone I know, their biggest motivator is undoubtedly love for others, both family and romantic love, closely aligned to their experience of JOY most often found when with those we love.

CS

EDIT: BTW Pat, I believe JC was BORN 2020 years ago, not died 🤦‍♀️
knightwire2
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i thought i would summarise my reasons why i think Biden is a great lay - pardon the pun - at such a low price, as it seems many who are backing him are unaware of quite a few developments which are intentionally not being reported on the main stream news. Ive already had all my money matched , so im ok to give my opinions without fear of losing anything! :D

1. Ukraine, it has been reported, has issued a criminal indictment for Biden for his alledged involvement in getting an attorney fired from his position looking into some dodgy dealings of his son Hunter. The video of Biden confessing to his role in this is openly available online. Somehow i dont think anyone can be elected to be President of the US with a potential criminal charge against him - especially one involving fraud with a foreign government.

2. The raid on the election servers in Frankfurt has been confirmed online by many people. In this raid, it is being reported (not by main stream media, who are trying their best to get Biden elected, and hence blatantly covering up what is going on) that Gina Haskel was arrested and transported to Gitmo. The very real threat of treason being levied against her - since Trump's 2018 Executive Order classed election interference as an act of national emergency, and hence subject to military law (executions - hence why firing squads and hangings have recently been added as methods of execution) where necessary - apparently made her sing like a canary as to who else was involved in this coup attempt. In light of this, is it just a coincidence that Biden now sports a possible ankle monitor? A monitor which is being hidden by a boot, under the pretence that he has suffered a hairline fracture of his ankle. Yeh, sure he did. A very painful injury which he has been pictured putting his whole body weight on, with no discomfort at all, and which he has even been photographed having on both legs! Meaning his pain was so bad he even forgot which leg he was supposed to have hurt! (same thing happened to John Mcain, who had a crumpled flag over his coffin, which military commentators have said is the sign of a traitor). If this is true, which i suspect it is, it means he is under some form of house arrest.

3. Talking of Gitmo, a little bit of research shows that its capacity has been vastly increased over the last 4 years since Trump came in. Many, such as me, would speculate that that has been done in preparation for this complete sting operation to take down the deep state with treasonous election fraud. Which, in my opinion, is exactly what we are seeing now. Given that, it means that Trump knew in advance that this was going to happen. Which means he was prepared.

4. Not quite sure why people are saying there is "no evidence"? Firstly evidence doesnt really get presented to the public before it gets laid out in court. Otherwise it would spoil the case! Secondly, there is already a huge amount of evidence that has already found its way online, such as suitcases full of ballots being opened up after poll watchers were told to leave, a blond braided woman inserting a USB drive into a machine, more people voting that even were registered to vote, dead people voting, and so so much more. Hundreds of affadavits - under threat of perjury and jail time - is also clearly evidence. Whether that evidence gets accepted by a court or not is a different matter, but the existence of so many afadavits initself constitues evidence.

5. Heard today on Monkey Werx channel that an unprecedented number of C130 and C17 military planes have headed to a US base in the west of the US. We can speculate as to why this has happened, but it is reasonable to assume that they may be there to deal with any antifa or BLM rioting expected in the coming days, using Martial Law - which many are saying Trump may use using the Insurrection Act. Why would such rioting take place? In response to news that may come out in the next few days that they dont like maybe!?

6. The US military, if it comes to it, are never going to allow a chinese communist coup to take over the US. It just wont be allowed to happen.

Well, thats my 2 pennies worth for today. An alternative point of view from someone who listens to an alternative source of reporting!

I could be wrong about all this of course, we all need to do our own research obviously, but this is where my extensive research has led me lol

Best of luck all :D
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knightwire2 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:05 pm
i thought i would summarise my reasons why i think Biden is a great lay - pardon the pun - at such a low price, as it seems many who are backing him are unaware of quite a few developments which are intentionally not being reported on the main stream news. Ive already had all my money matched , so im ok to give my opinions without fear of losing anything! :D

1. Ukraine, it has been reported, has issued a criminal indictment for Biden for his alledged involvement in getting an attorney fired from his position looking into some dodgy dealings of his son Hunter. The video of Biden confessing to his role in this is openly available online. Somehow i dont think anyone can be elected to be President of the US with a potential criminal charge against him - especially one involving fraud with a foreign government.

2. The raid on the election servers in Frankfurt has been confirmed online by many people. In this raid, it is being reported (not by main stream media, who are trying their best to get Biden elected, and hence blatantly covering up what is going on) that Gina Haskel was arrested and transported to Gitmo. The very real threat of treason being levied against her - since Trump's 2018 Executive Order classed election interference as an act of national emergency, and hence subject to military law (executions - hence why firing squads and hangings have recently been added as methods of execution) where necessary - apparently made her sing like a canary as to who else was involved in this coup attempt. In light of this, is it just a coincidence that Biden now sports a possible ankle monitor? A monitor which is being hidden by a boot, under the pretence that he has suffered a hairline fracture of his ankle. Yeh, sure he did. A very painful injury which he has been pictured putting his whole body weight on, with no discomfort at all, and which he has even been photographed having on both legs! Meaning his pain was so bad he even forgot which leg he was supposed to have hurt! (same thing happened to John Mcain, who had a crumpled flag over his coffin, which military commentators have said is the sign of a traitor). If this is true, which i suspect it is, it means he is under some form of house arrest.

3. Talking of Gitmo, a little bit of research shows that its capacity has been vastly increased over the last 4 years since Trump came in. Many, such as me, would speculate that that has been done in preparation for this complete sting operation to take down the deep state with treasonous election fraud. Which, in my opinion, is exactly what we are seeing now. Given that, it means that Trump knew in advance that this was going to happen. Which means he was prepared.

4. Not quite sure why people are saying there is "no evidence"? Firstly evidence doesnt really get presented to the public before it gets laid out in court. Otherwise it would spoil the case! Secondly, there is already a huge amount of evidence that has already found its way online, such as suitcases full of ballots being opened up after poll watchers were told to leave, a blond braided woman inserting a USB drive into a machine, more people voting that even were registered to vote, dead people voting, and so so much more. Hundreds of affadavits - under threat of perjury and jail time - is also clearly evidence. Whether that evidence gets accepted by a court or not is a different matter, but the existence of so many afadavits initself constitues evidence.

5. Heard today on Monkey Werx channel that an unprecedented number of C130 and C17 military planes have headed to a US base in the west of the US. We can speculate as to why this has happened, but it is reasonable to assume that they may be there to deal with any antifa or BLM rioting expected in the coming days, using Martial Law - which many are saying Trump may use using the Insurrection Act. Why would such rioting take place? In response to news that may come out in the next few days that they dont like maybe!?

6. The US military, if it comes to it, are never going to allow a chinese communist coup to take over the US. It just wont be allowed to happen.

Well, thats my 2 pennies worth for today. An alternative point of view from someone who listens to an alternative source of reporting!

I could be wrong about all this of course, we all need to do our own research obviously, but this is where my extensive research has led me lol

Best of luck all :D
I also have a lay position on Biden, I stand to lose half of what I've made trading this market if or when Biden becomes President. I'm happy to take that risk and I have my reasons behind my decision.... what you may not have noticed though is that Rudy indirectly admitted that the servers were not seized... if you don't believe me you should watch the hearings in Nevada with close attention.
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Euler wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:40 pm
As we predicted: -

Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading President Trump’s effort to overturn the election results, has tested positive for Covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rudy-giuli ... 4?mod=e2tw
He must be the last of DT ‘s closest mouth piece, to catch it. He got lucky Last time at the Rose garden super spreader event.
The Kung flu dragon Has more than one way to strike ! leak on Rudley!
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I think we will find that what trumps team are saying publicly wont always be the reality of what is happening behind the scenes. Connected YT commentators are reporting that she was seen at G'mo with her arm in a sling. She sang, and will probably now be given a new identity / plastic surgery. How true that is, i cant say, but it seems reasonable to me given all my research.

This sting is reportedly part of a worldwide take down of the elite 1%, which has apparently been in the making for at least 10 years, and probably a lot more. Part of that is evident in how he deliberately stood in front of the queen when he visited her i.e. to signify to the world that the queen had no power any more. Its probably why buck palace has been empty for so many months, and why the shield has been changed. He done the same with the Vatican, and hes done the same with the federal reserve. His deliberate refusal to shake Merkel's hand when they met is another sign of his standing up to the "swamp", as was his famous UN talk where he made it very clear that the US would never be a socialist country.

Thats why the globalist elite, and those they pay i.e. the media, are desperate to get rid of him.

Trump is literally in the middle - endgame - of liberating the whole world from the slavery of Elites / taxes / debts, where there is penty of evidence of with Nesara and Gesara. With such importance attached to it, they are being cautious about what they can and cannot say.

Thats my take anyway :D
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knightwire2 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:05 pm
i thought i would summarise my reasons why i think Biden is a great lay........
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knightwire2 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:05 pm
Not quite sure why people are saying there is "no evidence"? Firstly evidence doesnt really get presented to the public before it gets laid out in court. Otherwise it would spoil the case! Secondly, there is already a huge amount of evidence that has already found its way online, such as suitcases full of ballots being opened up after poll watchers were told to leave, a blond braided woman inserting a USB drive into a machine, more people voting that even were registered to vote, dead people voting, and so so much more
They've been to court 40 times and haven't produced any evidence! Photographs of rubbish bags are not evidence of fraud. I've got one outside my house!!

Have you not seen the drunken woman that Guiliani claimed was a star witness?
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It's time you stop drinking and go to bed knightwire. :)
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Have some of you lost your minds? There is a 0% chance Trump will be President on January 20. The bizarre conspiracy theories, lying, fantasies, and utter nonsense are astonishing.

There are two people who could be sworn in on January 20: Biden or Harris. That's it.

Anything else is pure folly and only for those who truly need to seek mental health treatment.
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knightwire2 wrote:
Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:35 am
Thats why the globalist elite, and those they pay i.e. the media, are desperate to get rid of him. Thats my take anyway :D
Add on to that the 80 million voters , while you
Show me DT’s tax returns and I will show you a globalist elite.
and of course twitter and Fox News is not part of mass media . Rupert Murdoch is a minion with no influence on the global stage.

“majority have the way while the minority get their say”
That’s democracy’s take📦
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ClarkKent wrote:
Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:12 am
Have some of you lost your minds? There is a 0% chance Trump will be President on January 20. The bizarre conspiracy theories, lying, fantasies, and utter nonsense are astonishing.

There are two people who could be sworn in on January 20: Biden or Harris. That's it.

Anything else is pure folly and only for those who truly need to seek mental health treatment.
doesnt even matter who gets sworn in according to market conditions
lets assume somehow there was voter fraud big enough to flip the electoral college, i highly doubt betfair would even pay out on trump
someone was saying they are going to settle on december 14th, where did you read that, is it still the case?
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Anbell wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:08 am
BF have clarified:
The outcome of the US election remains unclear so here's an update (dated Friday, 18:00) on how Betfair will settle its markets...

Ordinarily in a US election, a result declaration from various news networks would be followed by a concession speech by the losing candidate.

This would trigger the settlement of the remaining Betfair markets. It's what happened in 2008, 2012 and 2016.

As you know - and as was widely predicted - 2020 is no ordinary election! One reason for this is the turnout which looks set to be the highest for over a century. This means it's taking longer to count the votes, especially in swing states.

Another factor is the possibility that the losing candidate may challenge the results in the courts.

We will only settle the markets when there is certainty around which candidate has the most projected Electoral College votes.

Before settling the markets, we must therefore wait for clarity around ongoing vote counts, recounts and any potential legal challenges to the results.
https://betting.betfair.com/politics/us ... 0-204.html
Certainty around "projected" Electoral College votes. I see them waiting for projected into actual Electoral College Votes, when it meets next Monday.
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