US Presidential Election 2020

[Euler]

Listening to it again this morning I don't think there's clear evidence of criminality in the call, there's a lot of huff and puff and a veiled threat of criminal proceedings against the secretary of state but no smoking gun.

It just felt like him applying pressure, not asking for anything illegal.

I've been on the end of calls like that when I supplied large businesses. The sort of call where they say, yes I know it said that in the contract, but if you want to supply us in future you should do something about it. Besides we have more power than you and will dispute it anyhow. Your choice.

[Trader Pat]

Listening to it again this morning I don't think there's clear evidence of criminality in the call, there's a lot of huff and puff and a veiled threat of criminal proceedings against the secretary of state but no smoking gun.

It just felt like him applying pressure, not asking for anything illegal.

Oh definitely applying pressure yeah, but you have some of the talking heads on CNN and elsewhere saying its an impeachable offence. Its an abuse of power but proving it in a court would be pretty difficult.

[jamesg46]

Listening to it again this morning I don't think there's clear evidence of criminality in the call, there's a lot of huff and puff and a veiled threat of criminal proceedings against the secretary of state but no smoking gun.

If the Dems try to make anything of this it will just be argued back and forth and it will give Republican voters more reason to hate them.

Trump only has 16 days left in office so the Dems should just sit back and enjoy watching him make a fool of himself and go full manbaby as the days tick down.

In the months ahead this call will probably be the very least of Trump's worries.

Thank god for that, for a while I thought I was stuck inside of an alternative reality because I couldn't hear what was being accused. I got to the point where I thought they meant Trump is so stupid that he failed to even attempt blackmail.

I also don't know what that Secretary of state is saying isn't true, most of Trumps points are acknowledged in Congress, they're saying basically these problems have always existed so move on, thats not a denial... for the secretary of state to say what Trump says is not true is simply a denial of reality. We've all seen the videos of the ballots being pulled out from beneath the table (unless it was CGI, but let's not got into conspiracy realms) we all saw the spikes in Biden votes on election night and we've all seen live on CNN where Trumps votes decreased and Bidens increased in real time... before our very own eyes... we all know that ballots were recieved from the dead and double votes and votes from other states... its undeniable. Is that enough to overturn an election, probably not but to say it didn't happen is just denial of reality. He's not deluded to point it out, it should be pointed out and it should be fixed for the next election, if not the free world isn't a fair one and that isn't a democracy that we all seem to love so much.

Or maybe I'm losing the plot or didn't know the plot.

[Euler]

I think 2020 and the presidential election is significant because it confirms the many-worlds theory of Quantum mechanics and that there are definitely alternate realities and seemingly they often co-exist with other realities.

[Trader Pat]

I bet Trump would love the idea of infinite versions of himself

[jamesg46]

I think 2020 and the presidential election is significant because it confirms the many-worlds theory of Quantum mechanics and that there are definitely alternate realities and seemingly they often co-exist with other realities.

Nope, there are only 2 realities and they're dependent on which brand of rose tinted glasses you have on, Democrat or MAGA. I seem to be lost inside some sort of a void where nothing makes sense, what you see doesn't exist and what you've seen never happened.

[jimibt]

I think 2020 and the presidential election is significant because it confirms the many-worlds theory of Quantum mechanics and that there are definitely alternate realities and seemingly they often co-exist with other realities.

Nope, there are only 2 realities and they're dependent on which brand of rose tinted glasses you have on, Democrat or MAGA. I seem to be lost inside some sort of a void where nothing makes sense, what you see doesn't exist and what you've seen never happened.

all i can recommend then is that you fire up a(nother) splif and go with the flow - cosmic congress

[Kai]

I got to the point where I thought they meant Trump is so stupid that he failed to even attempt blackmail.

*laughs in Democrat*

[Derek27]

Listening to it again this morning I don't think there's clear evidence of criminality in the call, there's a lot of huff and puff and a veiled threat of criminal proceedings against the secretary of state but no smoking gun.

If the Dems try to make anything of this it will just be argued back and forth and it will give Republican voters more reason to hate them.

Trump only has 16 days left in office so the Dems should just sit back and enjoy watching him make a fool of himself and go full manbaby as the days tick down.

In the months ahead this call will probably be the very least of Trump's worries.

"Because all we have to do Cleta is find 11,000-plus votes."

That sounds like a smoking gun to me. If that goes through a criminal court and judges need to decide what he meant by that I don't think it would be that straight forward.

[Derek27]

Did Trump really want this guy to recalculate and find just one more vote than they needed? That would have been a bit suspicious.

[Dallas]

I think 2020 and the presidential election is significant because it confirms the many-worlds theory of Quantum mechanics and that there are definitely alternate realities and seemingly they often co-exist with other realities.

Nope, there are only 2 realities and they're dependent on which brand of rose tinted glasses you have on, Democrat or MAGA. I seem to be lost inside some sort of a void where nothing makes sense, what you see doesn't exist and what you've seen never happened.

all i can recommend then is that you fire up a(nother) splif and go with the flow - cosmic congress

Vernon Kay summed this whole crazy saga up simply earlier this morning when he simply said " I can't wait for the movie to be released"

[Kai]

I think 2020 and the presidential election is significant because it confirms the many-worlds theory of Quantum mechanics and that there are definitely alternate realities and seemingly they often co-exist with other realities.

Nope, there are only 2 realities and they're dependent on which brand of rose tinted glasses you have on, Democrat or MAGA. I seem to be lost inside some sort of a void where nothing makes sense, what you see doesn't exist and what you've seen never happened.

all i can recommend then is that you fire up a(nother) splif and go with the flow - cosmic congress

Ain't nobody got time for lighting up spliffs anymore Jim You damn hippy!!!

[greenmark]

Listening to it again this morning I don't think there's clear evidence of criminality in the call, there's a lot of huff and puff and a veiled threat of criminal proceedings against the secretary of state but no smoking gun.

If the Dems try to make anything of this it will just be argued back and forth and it will give Republican voters more reason to hate them.

Trump only has 16 days left in office so the Dems should just sit back and enjoy watching him make a fool of himself and go full manbaby as the days tick down.

In the months ahead this call will probably be the very least of Trump's worries.

"Because all we have to do Cleta is find 11,000-plus votes."

That sounds like a smoking gun to me. If that goes through a criminal court and judges need to decide what he meant by that I don't think it would be that straight forward.

Imagine receiving such a phone-call from the most powerful individual in the world. it seems obvious to me that Trump was threatening Raffensperger. This is only what has leaked out (so far). I reckon Trump has been careering around having similar conversations to pressurise and cling on to power. It mystifies me why there are republican senators prepared to challenge Biden's victory.
Without 2 democrat victories in the run-off in Georgia, the Senate is Republican and will block everything Biden wants to do, unless the policy suits them.

[jamesg46]

Nope, there are only 2 realities and they're dependent on which brand of rose tinted glasses you have on, Democrat or MAGA. I seem to be lost inside some sort of a void where nothing makes sense, what you see doesn't exist and what you've seen never happened.

all i can recommend then is that you fire up a(nother) splif and go with the flow - cosmic congress

Ain't nobody got time for lighting up spliffs anymore Jim You damn hippy!!!

[Euler]

It sort of becomes obvious how people like Jeffrey Epstein got away with so much for so long, doesn't it?