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jimibt wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:49 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
was wondering where you sourced this as (altho maybe true), it flies at odds with what he said on the Andrew Marr show yesterday - a small section quoted here: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sage ... 20636.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... xt-winter/
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:56 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
Yes, he also confirmed on the Andrew Marr Show that the vaccine does indeed contain the Bill Gates mind-controlling microchip. ;)
The unrealistic conspiracy theories like flat earth and mind control vaccines are either believed by people that are nuts or fabricated to gaslight the critical thinkers/sceptics/vaccine hesistant and put them into the same category as the far fetched conspiracy theorists. That means the general public start to associate anyone who is vaccine cautious (due to potential long term health side effects) with being nuts because they must also believe that the earth is flat.

Like someone linked above nothing is black and white. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of the irrational lockdown logic and taking a rushed vaccine when you weigh up all the pros and cons, chance of dying without it etc. If the survival rate was under 90% amongst my age group I would be much more inclined to avoid the virus and take a vaccine
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alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:57 pm
jimibt wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:49 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
was wondering where you sourced this as (altho maybe true), it flies at odds with what he said on the Andrew Marr show yesterday - a small section quoted here: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sage ... 20636.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... xt-winter/
thanks...
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alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:08 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:56 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
Yes, he also confirmed on the Andrew Marr Show that the vaccine does indeed contain the Bill Gates mind-controlling microchip. ;)
The unrealistic conspiracy theories like flat earth and mind control vaccines are either believed by people that are nuts or fabricated to gaslight the critical thinkers/sceptics/vaccine hesistant and put them into the same category as the far fetched conspiracy theorists. That means the general public start to associate anyone who is vaccine cautious (due to potential long term health side effects) with being nuts because they must also believe that the earth is flat.

Like someone linked above nothing is black and white. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of the irrational lockdown logic and taking a rushed vaccine when you weigh up all the pros and cons, chance of dying without it etc. If the survival rate was under 90% amongst my age group I would be much more inclined to avoid the virus and take a vaccine
But you said the vaccine contains a mind-controlling chip that will make you lose all your money on Betfair?

There's a world of difference between being cautious about having a liquid injected into you and beliving everybody in the world is conspiring against you or that a mind-controlling chip that only exists in science fiction is contained in a vaccine.

There's also the issue of thinking about other people. Just because you're relatively safe, you need to think of the older and more vulnerable people.

https://youtu.be/_nvfQw8UCDE?t=63
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alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:08 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:56 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
Yes, he also confirmed on the Andrew Marr Show that the vaccine does indeed contain the Bill Gates mind-controlling microchip. ;)
The unrealistic conspiracy theories like flat earth and mind control vaccines are either believed by people that are nuts or fabricated to gaslight the critical thinkers/sceptics/vaccine hesistant and put them into the same category as the far fetched conspiracy theorists. That means the general public start to associate anyone who is vaccine cautious (due to potential long term health side effects) with being nuts because they must also believe that the earth is flat.

Like someone linked above nothing is black and white. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of the irrational lockdown logic and taking a rushed vaccine when you weigh up all the pros and cons, chance of dying without it etc. If the survival rate was under 90% amongst my age group I would be much more inclined to avoid the virus and take a vaccine
That is exactly right
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alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:57 pm
jimibt wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:49 pm
alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm
Sage Professor John Edmunds says that lockdowns, masks and social distancing are lowering peoples natural immunities, so he expects a worse flu season this year, which may lead to more lockdowns, masks and social distancing
was wondering where you sourced this as (altho maybe true), it flies at odds with what he said on the Andrew Marr show yesterday - a small section quoted here: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sage ... 20636.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... xt-winter/
Six of one, half a dozen of another. There's no golden bullet so you'll always find flaws in any solution but the flu doesn't cause pneumonia to the extent that covid does.
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...some people want to believe all sorts of things - who cares, let them - we're not short of sane people on this earth so if a few million go 'Waco' it doesn't really matter.

Let them believe their bs, like these Trump betting losers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ISWW33POkc (Fintan Dunne)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gc-MMYjzfQ (Mark Attwood)
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Covid vaccines - 'spectacular' impact on serious illness
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Tuco wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:55 pm
...just back from Epsom Racecourse where I received an AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab - very efficient service - received an invite on Saturday morning and landed a 'fastest finger' as I'd booked for 13:10 today within 30 seconds :lol:

Thought I'd better book for Monday in case I feel rough for a few days, and if so, should be OK by the weekend :)
Traffic was backed up left right and centre around there on Friday when I went past, looked quiet Sat & Sun
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Merseyside Police was forced to clarify that “being offensive is not an offence” after a local policing team shared an “incorrect” statement stating the opposite on the side of a van in Wirral.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/m ... 20760.html

Look at the clowns, they don't even know their own laws.

You'd have thought they might have better things to do, like giving people fines for sitting on a park bench, important stuff like that!
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superfrank wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:27 pm
Merseyside Police was forced to clarify that “being offensive is not an offence” after a local policing team shared an “incorrect” statement stating the opposite on the side of a van in Wirral.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/m ... 20760.html

Look at the clowns, they don't even know their own laws.

You'd have thought they might have better things to do, like giving people fines for sitting on a park bench, important stuff like that!
Shouldn't this be in Rant Corner?
Anyway, I take your point, but would suggest allowing our hard-pressed frontline services deserve some latitude. Mistakes have/will be made in these weird times but I would defend all front line workers. The list of selfless people is as long as your arm and I salute them.
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ODPaul82 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:04 pm
Traffic was backed up left right and centre around there on Friday when I went past, looked quiet Sat & Sun
...very little traffic as I went there at 12:50pm today :)
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greenmark wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:04 pm
superfrank wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:27 pm
Merseyside Police was forced to clarify that “being offensive is not an offence” after a local policing team shared an “incorrect” statement stating the opposite on the side of a van in Wirral.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/m ... 20760.html

Look at the clowns, they don't even know their own laws.

You'd have thought they might have better things to do, like giving people fines for sitting on a park bench, important stuff like that!
Shouldn't this be in Rant Corner?
Anyway, I take your point, but would suggest allowing our hard-pressed frontline services deserve some latitude. Mistakes have/will be made in these weird times but I would defend all front line workers. The list of selfless people is as long as your arm and I salute them.
The more you salute the tyrants, the more freedoms they take.

Rights like freedom of speech, peaceful protesting and a private home (need a warrant and evidence to enter) will soon be a thing of the past, or should I say already are
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Tuco wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:55 pm
...just back from Epsom Racecourse where I received an AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab - very efficient service - received an invite on Saturday morning and landed a 'fastest finger' as I'd booked for 13:10 today within 30 seconds :lol:

Thought I'd better book for Monday in case I feel rough for a few days, and if so, should be OK by the weekend :)
Let us know of any side effects. I reckon I'll get jab one mid-april. I can't wait tbh.
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alexmr2 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:30 pm
greenmark wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:04 pm
superfrank wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:27 pm
Merseyside Police was forced to clarify that “being offensive is not an offence” after a local policing team shared an “incorrect” statement stating the opposite on the side of a van in Wirral.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/m ... 20760.html

Look at the clowns, they don't even know their own laws.

You'd have thought they might have better things to do, like giving people fines for sitting on a park bench, important stuff like that!
Shouldn't this be in Rant Corner?
Anyway, I take your point, but would suggest allowing our hard-pressed frontline services deserve some latitude. Mistakes have/will be made in these weird times but I would defend all front line workers. The list of selfless people is as long as your arm and I salute them.
The more you salute the tyrants, the more freedoms they take.

Rights like freedom of speech, peaceful protesting and a private home (need a warrant and evidence to enter) will soon be a thing of the past, or should I say already are
So, the ambulance driver and paramedic that picks you up from the roadside when you have a serious accident and the NHS workers who treat you in A&E are now tyrants?
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