Trading What I see !?

[goat68]

after the storm ,comes sunshine

have you tried dallas bots ? charity beginns at home remember.

yes, I am using snippets from those

been here?
read the comment sections, and follow what @ Betbuddy and @dallas recommendations.?

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Yes, thanks, that is one I used as the basis of one of my earlier bots, as with most you need to tweak or be selective on markets. I'm working on a more algo based bot across the board at the moment, some of these example bots seem more aimed at servant aids or for selective application manually.

[decomez6]

yes, I am using snippets from those

been here?
read the comment sections, and follow what @ Betbuddy and @dallas recommendations.?

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18997

Yes, thanks, that is one I used as the basis of one of my earlier bots, as with most you need to tweak or be selective on markets. I'm working on a more algo based bot across the board at the moment, some of these example bots seem more aimed at servant aids or for selective application manually.

Great .

[goat68]

So if I could "pin" a post of mine it would be this one, a perfect demonstration of where "Discipline" produced a fantastic result.
I picked up my phone to check my bot results mid-afternoon, and I saw -£14, ****! 5 big losses in a row...annoyed...back to day job...
Checked full days results just now, could not believe it, after those 5 losses, 12 big wins in a row not a single loss! If I had been trading manually by mid-afternoon I would have thrown all my toys out of the pram and probably ended with a big red day! But being a "disciplined" auto-bot it just chugged on.... great stuff!

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[dm1900]

So if I could "pin" a post of mine it would be this one, a perfect demonstration of where "Discipline" produced a fantastic result.
I picked up my phone to check my bot results mid-afternoon, and I saw -£14, ****! 5 big losses in a row...annoyed...back to day job...
Checked full days results just now, could not believe it, after those 5 losses, 12 big wins in a row not a single loss! If I had been trading manually by mid-afternoon I would have thrown all my toys out of the pram and probably ended with a big red day! But being a "disciplined" auto-bot it just chugged on.... great stuff!
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Well done mate.

[goat68]

Looks like bot had it's Weetabix this morning again, currently on a 7 race winning streak..

[Euler]

Looks like bot had it's Weetabix this morning again, currently on a 7 race winning streak..

Well done

[Realrocknrolla]

So if I could "pin" a post of mine it would be this one, a perfect demonstration of where "Discipline" produced a fantastic result.
I picked up my phone to check my bot results mid-afternoon, and I saw -£14, ****! 5 big losses in a row...annoyed...back to day job...
Checked full days results just now, could not believe it, after those 5 losses, 12 big wins in a row not a single loss! If I had been trading manually by mid-afternoon I would have thrown all my toys out of the pram and probably ended with a big red day! But being a "disciplined" auto-bot it just chugged on.... great stuff!
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Love that…

[Dallas]

Looks like bot had it's Weetabix this morning again, currently on a 7 race winning streak..

Thats what we like to see

[goat68]

so things just crap again, a couple of good days then it all falls to bits...but you knew that would happen didn't you.... but why should there be any model that works? but then no-one would be profitable? and we know at least a few people on here are

[rik]

I believe UK racing is the most competitive market, have you tried Australian or maybe Greyhounds to start with?
I think there is a good chance you will find it easier at least on lower stakes.
Your general approach is swing trading trading a few minutes pre off right?

[alexmr2]

I don't know much about bots but maybe there is a reason I don't hear about them being used for UK prerace except for with algorithms, most people seem to trade it manually or at least with semi-automation.

From my experience, one of the reasons that prerace would be difficult to make a bot for would be that there is such a vast range of ways that the markets behave, so one strategy may work on some race types or days but not others.

Not saying it's impossible, but like Rik said it's a very competitive market. Humans are better at some things and machines are better at others. In a car race, would you rather trust Lewis Hamilton or a self-driving car to get you round a track in the rain the quickest and safest? Alternatively would you rather trust a human or a computer to calculate the split second traction control electronics?

It may be worth exploring some other markets or inplay racing with bots. My limited understanding is that there are situations which are created where it is mathematically impossible to lose on in the long term, it's just a matter of getting the money matched before someone else gets there

[goat68]

I believe UK racing is the most competitive market, have you tried Australian or maybe Greyhounds to start with?
I think there is a good chance you will find it easier at least on lower stakes.
Your general approach is swing trading trading a few minutes pre off right?

So as it so happens, I am collecting new data for Aus and Greyhounds, so I will experiment there, thanks
I think part of my problem is I sort of got an attraction for UK pre-race based on all the manual guys & stuff, but it maybe not the best place for me
Correct, swings pre-off.

[goat68]

I don't know much about bots but maybe there is a reason I don't hear about them being used for UK prerace except for with algorithms, most people seem to trade it manually or at least with semi-automation.

From my experience, one of the reasons that prerace would be difficult to make a bot for would be that there is such a vast range of ways that the markets behave, so one strategy may work on some race types or days but not others.

Not saying it's impossible, but like Rik said it's a very competitive market. Humans are better at some things and machines are better at others. In a car race, would you rather trust Lewis Hamilton or a self-driving car to get you round a track in the rain the quickest and safest? Alternatively would you rather trust a human or a computer to calculate the split second traction control electronics?

It may be worth exploring some other markets or inplay racing with bots. My limited understanding is that there are situations which are created where it is mathematically impossible to lose on in the long term, it's just a matter of getting the money matched before someone else gets there

thanks now i'm getting some decent AUS and dogs data, I am going to not bang my head against UK pre-race!
I sort of got attracted to the UK volume and the fact Peter makes it look so easy
cheers

[wearthefoxhat]

I don't know much about bots but maybe there is a reason I don't hear about them being used for UK prerace except for with algorithms, most people seem to trade it manually or at least with semi-automation.

From my experience, one of the reasons that prerace would be difficult to make a bot for would be that there is such a vast range of ways that the markets behave, so one strategy may work on some race types or days but not others.

Not saying it's impossible, but like Rik said it's a very competitive market. Humans are better at some things and machines are better at others. In a car race, would you rather trust Lewis Hamilton or a self-driving car to get you round a track in the rain the quickest and safest? Alternatively would you rather trust a human or a computer to calculate the split second traction control electronics?

It may be worth exploring some other markets or inplay racing with bots. My limited understanding is that there are situations which are created where it is mathematically impossible to lose on in the long term, it's just a matter of getting the money matched before someone else gets there

thanks now i'm getting some decent AUS and dogs data, I am going to not bang my head against UK pre-race!
I sort of got attracted to the UK volume and the fact Peter makes it look so easy
cheers

Reading between the lines, Peter's trading desk is finely honed and able to react/respond to moving markets/data. This makes it easier to focus on how to best fit a strategy to a market and adapt accordingly. So far it's taken him 20 years and some things are probably work in progress too, as other markets evolve. His YT vids are well put together and I find it's important to revisit them every few months as the journey develops.

Pre-market manual trading on UK horses is hard, so a form of semi-automation is likely to be a better way overall. ie: Entry point manually, Exit point automated. Some bots can do it all though.

An example of this by comparison, is the DOB Moving exit bot Dallas put up a while ago for In-Play.

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It can be adapted for Pre-Market trading by adjusting entry times on a steamer and can be used on other markets like football where you know the direction of the trade will go.

[decomez6]

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finely honed and able to react/respond to moving markets/data. This makes it easier to focus on how to best fit a strategy to a market and adapt accordingly. some things are probably work in progress too, as other markets evolve. His YT vids are well put together and I find it's important to revisit them every few months as the journey develops.

Pre-market manual trading on UK horses is hard, so a form of semi-automation is likely to be a better way overall. ie: Entry point manually, Exit point automated. Some bots can do it all though.

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viewtopic.php?f=52&t=19933

It can be adapted for Pre-Market trading by adjusting entry times on a steamer and can be used on other markets like football where you know the direction of the trade will go.

adjusting and adapting bots is well , but its a bit of a let down when you follow a certain train of thought and end up `kaputt`.

then :
rewind trying to salvage a bot from absolute failureto point where things were promising .
you then hit a point of no return , where you decide to tweak and parsue a different branch of the ¬oak startegy Tree¬

i have posted two bots and the last one looks promising ,and its quite a huddle to adjust.
may be the bot is bloated and convoluted , and there are better ways to do it.
beginners have a level of tolerance that is driven by what else you do outside trading ,and sometimes you could be carrying ideas in your head but is a task to implement them profitably.

please check this one out and tell me what you think .
goat i can relate .
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