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Trader Pat
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Hamilton DQ'd from qualy so starts from the back of the grid for the sprint race. Verstappen fined 50k for touching Hamilton's car in Parc Ferme.
I agree with you. A lot of people seem to bristle at Lewis's personality, loud campaigning etc. To me he's just as fast as flip. Next year with Russell alongside him could be very interesting indeed.
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Trader Pat
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I'm fairly neutral towards Hamilton; I think he's disingenuous but you have to respect the guy, he's the best driver of his generation and one of the best ever. After the sprint I made the rookie error of reading some of the comments in F1 Twitter land. Lots of nasty comments aimed at Hamilton but on the flip side even mild logical criticism of him seems to met with accusations of racism.
Genuinely don't know how some people can spend hours a day on there, such a nasty horrible place where the worst of society seem to be in a never ending war with the forces of wokism.
I'm not netural about Lewis. His main opponents have all been privileged. And I understand there can be inverted snobbery here. But he's come from nowhere on the back of sheer talent and extraordinary sacrifice by his family.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:42 pmI'm fairly neutral towards Hamilton; I think he's disingenuous but you have to respect the guy, he's the best driver of his generation and one of the best ever. After the sprint I made the rookie error of reading some of the comments in F1 Twitter land. Lots of nasty comments aimed at Hamilton but on the flip side even mild logical criticism of him seems to met with accusations of racism.
Genuinely don't know how some people can spend hours a day on there, such a nasty horrible place where the worst of society seem to be in a never ending war with the forces of wokism.
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Trader Pat
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That's just not true.
Yes most of the grid either comes from money or have wealthy backers, but as for Hamilton's main rivals during his time in F1 only Rosberg and Verstappen have come from privilege because of who their fathers are. However Alonso comes from a working class family and Vettel came from fairly humble beginnings so those two got where they are through skill and hard work just as much as Hamilton.
My criticism of him comes more from him as a person than a driver. I know a lot of drivers try to be brands but he's in a league of his own, everything he says or does seems to be calculated for maximum likes or followers. His t-shirt at the Hungarian GP being the biggest example of his hypocrisy. I completely agreed with the message but Hungary in some ways was an easy target, a relatively small country that doesn't contribute a huge amount to F1. Now I will completely change my opinion on Hamilton if he turns up to the Saudi GP wearing a Khashoggi t-shirt or one with pictures of Yemeni women and children, or turns up to next years Chinese GP and wears a shirt in support of the Uyghurs.
None of that will happen though and why not? Because the Saudi's and the Chinese are heavily invested in F1 as a brand and Mercedes as a team, and the team make a lot of money from them directly and indirectly. And I'm sure Hamilton himself is invested in those countries in some way too.
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That’s why it’s called Twatter.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:42 pmI'm fairly neutral towards Hamilton; I think he's disingenuous but you have to respect the guy, he's the best driver of his generation and one of the best ever. After the sprint I made the rookie error of reading some of the comments in F1 Twitter land. Lots of nasty comments aimed at Hamilton but on the flip side even mild logical criticism of him seems to met with accusations of racism.
Genuinely don't know how some people can spend hours a day on there, such a nasty horrible place where the worst of society seem to be in a never ending war with the forces of wokism.
I just used it for boxing info but now I gave up a short while ago. Absolute tools most people, they wouldn’t say half the shit they say if they were in a bar face to face etc.
Hamilton is up there as one of the greats. Imo
Ok. Fair comment.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:12 pmThat's just not true.
Yes most of the grid either comes from money or have wealthy backers, but as for Hamilton's main rivals during his time in F1 only Rosberg and Verstappen have come from privilege because of who their fathers are. However Alonso comes from a working class family and Vettel came from fairly humble beginnings so those two got where they are through skill and hard work just as much as Hamilton.
My criticism of him comes more from him as a person than a driver. I know a lot of drivers try to be brands but he's in a league of his own, everything he says or does seems to be calculated for maximum likes or followers. His t-shirt at the Hungarian GP being the biggest example of his hypocrisy. I completely agreed with the message but Hungary in some ways was an easy target, a relatively small country that doesn't contribute a huge amount to F1. Now I will completely change my opinion on Hamilton if he turns up to the Saudi GP wearing a Khashoggi t-shirt or one with pictures of Yemeni women and children, or turns up to next years Chinese GP and wears a shirt in support of the Uyghurs.
None of that will happen though and why not? Because the Saudi's and the Chinese are heavily invested in F1 as a brand and Mercedes as a team, and the team make a lot of money from them directly and indirectly. And I'm sure Hamilton himself is invested in those countries in some way too.
And in particular the Yemen situation. What a disgrace that is!
But I think his campaigning is less about likes and more that he recognises he has a platform and can't resist using it to push his own opinion/values.
I suspect I would do the same.
Today, we can expect him sweeping through from 10th until he gets onto Perez.
But it's F1, so who knows.
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Today, we can expect him sweeping through from 10th until he gets onto Perez.
But it's F1, so who knows.
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I think quite the opposite. He will go Hard or Medium tyres and play the long game, complete the overcut on a lot of them and then stick softs on at the end where he will be rapid!
Today, we can expect him sweeping through from 10th until he gets onto Perez.
But it's F1, so who knows.
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I think quite the opposite. He will go Hard or Medium tyres and play the long game, complete the overcut on a lot of them and then stick softs on at the end where he will be rapid!
Today, we can expect him sweeping through from 10th until he gets onto Perez.
But it's F1, so who knows.
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I think quite the opposite. He will go Hard or Medium tyres and play the long game, complete the overcut on a lot of them and then stick softs on at the end where he will be rapid!
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Interesting. Softs seemed to be quite durable yesterday. And we know soft equals quick. Hards would be a mistake, wouldn't they? Temps seem similar to yesterday.
Lewis could charge through on the same tyre as the rest, or even quicker if he goes softer than the rest. He swept past people in the sprint like they weren't there, so a tyre advantage would put him at the front end quickly. Meanwhile Bottas will try to hold Max back. Well that is what I would be asking my 2nd place driver to do.
There is of course the 1st corner Prost/Senna scenario.
Can't wait, frankly.
Oh and it's Rossi's last race in MotoGP. What a fantastic competitor.
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Trader Pat
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Thats my point though, if you criticise one country but don't criticise any others then its just hypocrisy especially on this particular subject. Russia has had a law for over a decade that bans what they call "gay propaganda" in schools which is exactly the same as the law just passed in Hungary but in Sochi Hamilton never mentioned Russia's law. To be fair to Hamilton though Vettel did the same thing.greenmark wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:28 pmOk. Fair comment.
And in particular the Yemen situation. What a disgrace that is!
But I think his campaigning is less about likes and more that he recognises he has a platform and can't resist using it to push his own opinion/values.
I suspect I would do the same.
If you looks at all the countries on next years calendar and make a list of those with human rights or press freedom issues (Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Hungary, Russia, Abu Dhabi) Hungary is by far the easiest country to have a pop at. Everybody can get behind the sentiment without having to worry about any commercial damage done to their brand.
Anyway on to the race itself!
I think Hamilton is a bit short but he could definitely win this. He has such an advantage on the straight that I'd fancy him to sail by anybody even the Red Bulls. Verstappen and Horner intimating in interviews after the sprint race yesterday that something still doesn't smell right with Mercedes' rear wing.
You would think that Bottas is nailed on to start on the softs which means Verstappen will have to start on the softs leaving Hamilton to start on the mediums and be able to run longer in the first stint. If Verstappen clear Bottas early then he should win the race but if he doesn't things could get interesting. Wouldn't be surprised to see a coming together between Max and Bottas at the first corner though. There's more jeopardy though for Hamilton starting 10th than starting at the back of the grid. He's in the middle of a pack and anything could happen especially from behind.
Championship definitely not over yet!
And the Mercedes powered Lewis will waft through the Mercedes-powered McLaren and Aston Martin, and later in the race, Williams.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:17 pmThats my point though, if you criticise one country but don't criticise any others then its just hypocrisy especially on this particular subject. Russia has had a law for over a decade that bans what they call "gay propaganda" in schools which is exactly the same as the law just passed in Hungary but in Sochi Hamilton never mentioned Russia's law. To be fair to Hamilton though Vettel did the same thing.greenmark wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:28 pmOk. Fair comment.
And in particular the Yemen situation. What a disgrace that is!
But I think his campaigning is less about likes and more that he recognises he has a platform and can't resist using it to push his own opinion/values.
I suspect I would do the same.
If you looks at all the countries on next years calendar and make a list of those with human rights or press freedom issues (Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Hungary, Russia, Abu Dhabi) Hungary is by far the easiest country to have a pop at. Everybody can get behind the sentiment without having to worry about any commercial damage done to their brand.
Anyway on to the race itself!
I think Hamilton is a bit short but he could definitely win this. He has such an advantage on the straight that I'd fancy him to sail by anybody even the Red Bulls. Verstappen and Horner intimating in interviews after the sprint race yesterday that something still doesn't smell right with Mercedes' rear wing.
You would think that Bottas is nailed on to start on the softs which means Verstappen will have to start on the softs leaving Hamilton to start on the mediums and be able to run longer in the first stint. If Verstappen clear Bottas early then he should win the race but if he doesn't things could get interesting. Wouldn't be surprised to see a coming together between Max and Bottas at the first corner though. There's more jeopardy though for Hamilton starting 10th than starting at the back of the grid. He's in the middle of a pack and anything could happen especially from behind.
Championship definitely not over yet!
This could be an entertaining race though. Overtaking is more than feasible. All good fun!
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Trader Pat
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I won't be making anymore tyre predictions! 