I'd started deleting them before I got to Eulers post, but just so no one could say we deleted negative posts I did grab screenshots of the rubbish he was posting
Opinions on TPD - is it worthwhile?
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Can we move stella's rubbish topic to another thread please ?
Its about opinions on TPD .
Its about opinions on TPD .
I've no issues with opinions, but there is no need to.....
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It's bloody annoying. The poster has previous on this as well. It's just annoying and unnecessary and distracts from the core content.
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It's bloody annoying. The poster has previous on this as well. It's just annoying and unnecessary and distracts from the core content.
If you can post the video and any logs you have that would be useful to look at?ilovepizza82 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:13 amIts happening more often than people would like to think.sniffer66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:43 pmA fellow trader told me this week that there was a major innaccuracy on a horse a few days ago, won the race and TPS showed it as 15 yards back in 3rd/4th. Not the first time he's reported it eitherjamesedwards wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:29 pmI would be very interested to see how Bet Angel users are getting on.
I signed up to Bet Mover for a month or two at the beginning of the year and it wasn't worth the money as the accuracy just wasn't there. It often called the wrong winner, perhaps 10-15% of the time. And occasionally it would be missing a horse completely as if it didn't exist!
Perhaps accuracy will improve with time but for now I'm treating it very much as a watching brief.
Plus a few incidents where the wrong GPS tracker has been assigned to a pair of horses.
I don't feel I can trust it...
Seen that already a couple of times and I only been using it for a few weeks.
I even recoreded a video when a "wrong" horse won. Shocking to say the least.
Maybe its just me but I'd of thought there'd always be loads of people betting in the closing stages and on the winner and therefore the wrong horse ie, a horse TPD had in Position 1 was in fact way behind, and then even more who saw their TPD data on there ladders/one-click screen not matching what was happened - and if it happened a thread would immediately pop up with quite a few unhappy people flagging it
Just to add, the info I've been getting is not from BA TPD users, but other products that also have TPD. I assume you know the main one, though I wont name it on hereDallas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:18 amIf you can post the video and any logs you have that would be useful to look at?ilovepizza82 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:13 amIts happening more often than people would like to think.sniffer66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:43 pm
A fellow trader told me this week that there was a major innaccuracy on a horse a few days ago, won the race and TPS showed it as 15 yards back in 3rd/4th. Not the first time he's reported it either
Plus a few incidents where the wrong GPS tracker has been assigned to a pair of horses.
I don't feel I can trust it...
Seen that already a couple of times and I only been using it for a few weeks.
I even recoreded a video when a "wrong" horse won. Shocking to say the least.
Maybe its just me but I'd of thought there'd always be loads of people betting in the closing stages and on the winner and therefore the wrong horse ie, a horse TPD had in Position 1 was in fact way behind, and then even more who saw their TPD data on there ladders/one-click screen not matching what was happened - and if it happened a thread would immediately pop up with quite a few unhappy people flagging it
Maybe anyone who sees it happening does exactly this, a kind of Betfair Down thread. Then people will be able to get an idea of how often it is occurring, if at all and the reason for it.
I think it is safe to say that you won't win anything if you follow their user guide.
They say that a low VF means a calm horse who will have conserved loads of energy and be in contention at the end. In fact, A high VF however can indicate a horse that was being held back ready to explode and win at the end. You end up looking at a lot of information with no real knowledge of whether it is useful. It is v expensive compared to bet angel I had high hopes for it but so far I look at the Bet Angel market overview more.
They say in one of their videos that the information you glean can tell you who the likely winner will be long before the final few furlongs. Sometimes you can and sometimes you cannot which does not really help because we can all do that.
If someone can harness their information usefully there may be hope. It has few UK races and the USA ones are not full of money so you are not going to get rich there!
They say that a low VF means a calm horse who will have conserved loads of energy and be in contention at the end. In fact, A high VF however can indicate a horse that was being held back ready to explode and win at the end. You end up looking at a lot of information with no real knowledge of whether it is useful. It is v expensive compared to bet angel I had high hopes for it but so far I look at the Bet Angel market overview more.
They say in one of their videos that the information you glean can tell you who the likely winner will be long before the final few furlongs. Sometimes you can and sometimes you cannot which does not really help because we can all do that.
If someone can harness their information usefully there may be hope. It has few UK races and the USA ones are not full of money so you are not going to get rich there!
I believe I got burned on this last night my time, day time UK. I'm still gathering data to support, what happened. On review of video, the horse TPD showed in first place was actually never leading and, in fact, fell before my automated bets were placed. This should never happen.
I'm fairly certain my automation is solid because I've been using it successfully for other TPD races where data matched events and video.
This was an anomaly, but it could have been catastrophic if I fully trusted the TPD feed and my stakes had been large. Thankfully, I'm still quite new to TPD and the stakes were relatively low. Also, since I'm just testing, I hadn't fully built in the error catch processes into my automation.. had I put max odds conditions on my back, the bets wouldn't have been placed.
Still, my experience showed me that errors on TPD's part definitely happen. Do not fully trust the data they provide. If you choose to use it, ensure you've got error correcting processes and logic in place.
I'm fairly certain my automation is solid because I've been using it successfully for other TPD races where data matched events and video.
This was an anomaly, but it could have been catastrophic if I fully trusted the TPD feed and my stakes had been large. Thankfully, I'm still quite new to TPD and the stakes were relatively low. Also, since I'm just testing, I hadn't fully built in the error catch processes into my automation.. had I put max odds conditions on my back, the bets wouldn't have been placed.
Still, my experience showed me that errors on TPD's part definitely happen. Do not fully trust the data they provide. If you choose to use it, ensure you've got error correcting processes and logic in place.
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Cant upload the video here.
It says its too big tho its barely 6mb...lol.
It says its too big tho its barely 6mb...lol.
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I'm sure TPD publish the tolerances of the system they deploy and defo read something about dropped / reconnected signals and how they are handled. Wouldn't any strategy have to factor this in to some degree (or not if you are happy with the variance)...
Pu it in the cloud somewhere and post a linkilovepizza82 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:51 amCant upload the video here.
It says its too big tho its barely 6mb...lol.
Hi mods... I'm not sure if this belongs here or needs to be moved to its own thread, but will post here for now. Apologies if incorrect!SomeDude wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:34 pmI believe I got burned on this last night my time, day time UK. I'm still gathering data to support, what happened. On review of video, the horse TPD showed in first place was actually never leading and, in fact, fell before my automated bets were placed. This should never happen.
I'm fairly certain my automation is solid because I've been using it successfully for other TPD races where data matched events and video.
This was an anomaly, but it could have been catastrophic if I fully trusted the TPD feed and my stakes had been large. Thankfully, I'm still quite new to TPD and the stakes were relatively low. Also, since I'm just testing, I hadn't fully built in the error catch processes into my automation.. had I put max odds conditions on my back, the bets wouldn't have been placed.
Still, my experience showed me that errors on TPD's part definitely happen. Do not fully trust the data they provide. If you choose to use it, ensure you've got error correcting processes and logic in place.
Ok... so here's the video: https://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-popup/VOD/1242941 of Chepstow R1 4 December 2021.
The automation I was testing for this is the "Back the Leader" Guardian automation bot at viewtopic.php?f=73&t=24687.
I had made minor alterations to staking, race percentage, and distance, but had not altered the ranking or selection criteria in any way. This automation had been working well prior to this race and has worked well since.
Bet Angel logs show market in play at 00:38:19 local time.
"The Galloping Bear" fell 5 minutes and 18 seconds into the race, or 00:43:37 local time.
The automation is supposed to trigger when a gap opens between the leader and the horse in second place and it works well almost all of the time.
The automation also has a condition that the race information has been updated from TPD within the last 0.8 seconds. A comms interruption should mean no bet is placed.
Automation first triggered at 00:43:43... 6 full seconds after "The Galloping Bear" fell... because a gap had indeed opened. The bot placed 30 back bets over the next 8 seconds on the horse in first place at 1.01. Each bet was fully matched at the time of placing at 1000...because the automation thought "The Galloping Bear" was leading.
"The Galloping Bear" never led in this race, though it pulled within a nose momentarily just prior to the fall.
As I see it, there are two possibilities here:
1) The TPD feed was wrong; either transponder attached to wrong horse, or a mix-up in transmission.
2) The Bet Angel automation mixed up horse order for some reason, i.e., a bug.
Am I missing something? Is there another explanation as to what happened? Is there a way to rule out one or the other, e.g., is there a full log of all TPD data accessible somewhere?
Thanks all!
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Last edited by StellaBot on Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
May I add
The whole theory about times and distance is Clunky with TPD at mo
but a step in right direction
in the same vain in my opinion
I think time based systems are alwyas a step forward
Phil Bull , Nick Mordin etc
In my opinion there are other factors to consider
But Im not a pro
I will also add on this thread
I apologise for negative threads I have posted on here
I have been passionate for many years about speed, time, going distance ,rail movements etc etc in racing
The whole theory about times and distance is Clunky with TPD at mo
but a step in right direction
in the same vain in my opinion
I think time based systems are alwyas a step forward
Phil Bull , Nick Mordin etc
In my opinion there are other factors to consider
But Im not a pro
I will also add on this thread
I apologise for negative threads I have posted on here
I have been passionate for many years about speed, time, going distance ,rail movements etc etc in racing
Nobody has a problem with a positive or negative comment (over the long term anyway, trust me I’ve pushed the boundaries), the issue is that you submit 400 comments that could be condensed into one or two.StellaBot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:35 amMay I add
The whole theory about times and distance is Clunky with TPD at mo
but a step in right direction
in the same vain in my opinion
I think time based systems are alwyas a step forward
Phil Bull , Nick Mordin etc
In my opinion there are other factors to consider
But Im not a pro
I will also add on this thread
I apologise for negative threads I have posted on here.
I have been passionate for many years about speed, time, acceleration etc etc in racing