Ukraine Crisis

[Trader Pat]

Sadly if forumites keep quoting that revolting person I still see his offensive opinions so best I don't visit this thread ever again.

If forumites keep insulting him a cyber attack on the BA forum could be in the pipeline.

There's been a few of those already

[Kai]

Wouldn't be a political thread without a few personal spats thrown in the mix, but try not to hijack the whole thread with it? Far more important things going on.

[Derek27]

Russia's nuclear force has been moved from special alert to "enhanced combat" alert.

I've had a terrible month this month and won't be getting my usual promotion but I'm beginning to run out of job titles. I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.

He going to luanch a small, 10 Kiloton's bomb in Ukraine to end things quickly or as some have said in the North Sea between UK and Denmark to scare the shit out of everyone. No idea if that will create a tsunami for those countries.

This will scare the shit out of everyone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34797252

[Kai]

I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.

He will run out of tanks as well if the local farmers keep stealing them : https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status ... 2695419910

[Derek27]

I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.

He will run out of tanks as well if the local farmers keep stealing them : https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status ... 2695419910

flipping hell, that's 50 tons that tractor's pulling. I feel sorry for the tank crew that have to report back that their 50-ton tank's been stolen.

[Archery1969]

Russia's nuclear force has been moved from special alert to "enhanced combat" alert.

I've had a terrible month this month and won't be getting my usual promotion but I'm beginning to run out of job titles. I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.

He going to luanch a small, 10 Kiloton's bomb in Ukraine to end things quickly or as some have said in the North Sea between UK and Denmark to scare the shit out of everyone. No idea if that will create a tsunami for those countries.

This will scare the shit out of everyone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34797252

[Derek27]

You know those idiots you visit who think it's a good idea to switch the TV on and spend a whole hour skipping through the channels, before discovering there's nothing worthwhile to watch? That's what Sky News has become, 2 minutes interviewing a politician, switch to Brussels convention to hear a question, skip the answer and switch to the UN Security Counsel, for 30 seconds...

[wearthefoxhat]

I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.

He will run out of tanks as well if the local farmers keep stealing them : https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status ... 2695419910

flipping hell, that's 50 tons that tractor's pulling. I feel sorry for the tank crew that have to report back that their 50-ton tank's been stolen.

You can just make out the tank commander running after it..."give me back my tank." TBH, looks a bit like Puta Putin....

[greenmark]

He going to luanch a small, 10 Kiloton's bomb in Ukraine to end things quickly or as some have said in the North Sea between UK and Denmark to scare the shit out of everyone. No idea if that will create a tsunami for those countries.

This will scare the shit out of everyone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34797252

Between them the US and Russia have more than active 3000 warheads. and more than 12000 in total. Enough to obliterate humanity. This is the sword of damacles that is supposed to prevent any future deployment. Hiroshima/Nagasaki happened for more than one reason. But one reason was certainly that the US was the only nuclear power, with no fear of a nuclear response. A nuclear exchange is still MAD (so far as I have read). But Russia do need to get rid of Putin. They're going backwards rapidly. Economically, providing for their people, world influence - such is the inefficiency of authoritarianism.

[Derek27]

He will run out of tanks as well if the local farmers keep stealing them : https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status ... 2695419910

flipping hell, that's 50 tons that tractor's pulling. I feel sorry for the tank crew that have to report back that their 50-ton tank's been stolen.

You can just make out the tank commander running after it..."give me back my tank." TBH, looks a bit like Puta Putin....

He appears to be in civilian clothing. I reckon the tank broke down, the driver nicked the farmer's tractor to tow it and the farmer's running after him.

[Euler]

Gazprom deal cancelled by UEFA and Russia suspended from all UEFA competitions

[Euler]

Surely Putin is painting himself into a corner here. I don't think he expected the response from the ROW to be so strong.

It's difficult to see how Putin can win here whether he achieves his military objectives or not.

[Trader Pat]

Problem for Putin and everybody else is how does he back himself out of this corner without losing face?

[Euler]

Problem for Putin and everybody else is how does he back himself out of this corner without losing face?

Y, he needs an exit. But you would think negotiators would understand that.

[Dallas]

Problem for Putin and everybody else is how does he back himself out of this corner without losing face?

Y, he needs an exit. But you would think negotiators would understand that.

The wheels have come off ALL his initial plans, and I agree he's got to somehow come away with something or he's finished

That's why I think the whole reason for upping his Nuclear alert status simply boils down to putting pressure on the west to give him an exit strategy and something to back off with - and if they won't call his bluff if he'll deploy them anywhere or just go gung-ho and level many parts of Ukraine out of frustration!

When you look at how the Cuban missile crisis it included a hidden concession from the US to pull missiles out of Turkey which were never disclosed publicly at the time - the problem is the later won't apply here and I can't see what the Ukraine and the west can publicly concede for him to walk away