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UEFA YOUTH u19 today game, SCAM, 1k€ lost, is there anyone who can help? bets were matched at odds 1000 b on over unders beacuse it was 9seconds delay and I saw a goal but couldn't help myself. Suspended were late and odd too hight not to be matched. ANGRY AS F@@K!!
You'd have to take it up with Betfair but you really need to explain in more detail what happened in order to get help or opinions on here.inspiron wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:46 pmUEFA YOUTH u19 today game, SCAM, 1k€ lost, is there anyone who can help? bets were matched at odds 1000 b on over unders beacuse it was 9seconds delay and I saw a goal but couldn't help myself. Suspended were late and odd too hight not to be matched. ANGRY AS F@@K!!
What exactly went wrong? "Couldn't help myself"? "Odds too height not to be matched"?
You'd have to take it up with Betfair but you really need to explain in more detail what happened in order to get help or opinions on here.
If you for ex. back under 5.5 at odd 1.7 and it take 9seconds to be placed. at arround 5th second of your bet someone lay under 5.5 up to 10 or 1000. You know there was a goal but suspended is not working. You see the goal but you can't pull back your bet, you are only waiting to market to be suspended. Market was not suspended bet was matched and you lost all of your stake in 0 second.
If you for ex. back under 5.5 at odd 1.7 and it take 9seconds to be placed. at arround 5th second of your bet someone lay under 5.5 up to 10 or 1000. You know there was a goal but suspended is not working. You see the goal but you can't pull back your bet, you are only waiting to market to be suspended. Market was not suspended bet was matched and you lost all of your stake in 0 second.
in La Liga they do check bets even next day and just give you extra money or you can see less money on your account. If they do review in seconds when goal was scored and when bets were matched, they will void all those money this guy put into market after the goal. It would be just fair from BETFAIR. It's not normal that someone today had earned more than 10k€ on nothing, someone mistake who couldn't push suspend button. Betfair is not company from yesterday and they still make so much mistakes that you just can't understand why....
probably 10k€ on this game, there were more than 5 goals I think and he probably catch every goal.
probably 10k€ on this game, there were more than 5 goals I think and he probably catch every goal.
I'm afraid the 9-second delay (it varies between 5-15 for soccer) is part of the rules and it protects you from somebody with faster pictures. You can't cancel a bet you've placed until it hits the market.inspiron wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:01 amYou'd have to take it up with Betfair but you really need to explain in more detail what happened in order to get help or opinions on here.
If you for ex. back under 5.5 at odd 1.7 and it take 9seconds to be placed. at arround 5th second of your bet someone lay under 5.5 up to 10 or 1000. You know there was a goal but suspended is not working. You see the goal but you can't pull back your bet, you are only waiting to market to be suspended. Market was not suspended bet was matched and you lost all of your stake in 0 second.
If you back Under 5.5 at 1.7 and a goal is scored the price won't hit 1000, more likely 3-4, so you've still got a bet and can trade out for a loss instead of losing all of it. It's quite common on the more obscure matches for somebody at the match or with faster pictures to get their bet in first before the market gets suspended.
Betfair sometimes voids bets after a goal is disallowed, they can be slow to do it but it's very rare for them to void bets hours after or the next day. It's happened on occasions when they got the result wrong. Unfortunately, Betfair often have technical problems causing the markets to be suspended for periods, which is what I was getting frustrated about in my previous post.inspiron wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:15 amin La Liga they do check bets even next day and just give you extra money or you can see less money on your account. If they do review in seconds when goal was scored and when bets were matched, they will void all those money this guy put into market after the goal. It would be just fair from BETFAIR. It's not normal that someone today had earned more than 10k€ on nothing, someone mistake who couldn't push suspend button. Betfair is not company from yesterday and they still make so much mistakes that you just can't understand why....
probably 10k€ on this game, there were more than 5 goals I think and he probably catch every goal.
I did more than 700markets in play last 3months. I have fastest picture you can get. He was on the match. Thats all. But Betfair should know which delay they have on this match so no one can do this.
As far I know what I have seen. FIFA, UEFA and some other competitions like that, doesn't allow in my opinion bookmakers to attend and promote themselves. You can't see bet365 or william hill on fifa games. And there is delay bigger depending on the feed. Sometimes it is 7sec sometimes 12. Like african cup etc...
so only mistake they did is delay should be 12seconds on this match. So when they see a goal they can easily make suspend. And his bets from the pitch wouldn't be matched. Thats all
As far I know what I have seen. FIFA, UEFA and some other competitions like that, doesn't allow in my opinion bookmakers to attend and promote themselves. You can't see bet365 or william hill on fifa games. And there is delay bigger depending on the feed. Sometimes it is 7sec sometimes 12. Like african cup etc...
so only mistake they did is delay should be 12seconds on this match. So when they see a goal they can easily make suspend. And his bets from the pitch wouldn't be matched. Thats all
Women UEFA games, also with 9sec delay are same s@it like this so people be carefull. He is so sure in his trades that he even back under with 5k€ and tickoffset. When goal is scored he already lay everything he can on under markets and he got win win situations if there is goal or not. I saw this too many times but today I was the one who made mistake. And he took my money without any risk. And from many other people also...
I understand your frustration but we know what the delay is each time we place a bet so a goal being scored in the next few seconds is a risk we're all taking. You can't count on the market being suspended immediately when a goal's scored.inspiron wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:40 amI did more than 700markets in play last 3months. I have fastest picture you can get. He was on the match. Thats all. But Betfair should know which delay they have on this match so no one can do this.
As far I know what I have seen. FIFA, UEFA and some other competitions like that, doesn't allow in my opinion bookmakers to attend and promote themselves. You can't see bet365 or william hill on fifa games. And there is delay bigger depending on the feed. Sometimes it is 7sec sometimes 12. Like african cup etc...
so only mistake they did is delay should be 12seconds on this match. So when they see a goal they can easily make suspend. And his bets from the pitch wouldn't be matched. Thats all
It's a bit ironic that in your first post you were asking for somebody to attend the match and relay 5G pictures to you, so if they were really quick at suspending the market it would have scuppered your plans.
What makes you think it's the same person?inspiron wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:49 amWomen UEFA games, also with 9sec delay are same s@it like this so people be carefull. He is so sure in his trades that he even back under with 5k€ and tickoffset. When goal is scored he already lay everything he can on under markets and he got win win situations if there is goal or not. I saw this too many times but today I was the one who made mistake. And he took my money without any risk. And from many other people also...
If he backed Under with €5K and tick offset he was taking a big risk because a goal could have been scored before his offset was laid, so it's certainly not risk-free.
Yes, you are right for this 5g but I know I couldn't catch the goal. Trust me on that. I would use it for trading only. And thats not the same. Trading football depends on many factors, which stake you can use, when the market is going down even time goes by etc. 1000factors how market moves. It's not catching a goal after it is scored and Im sure you just can't do it on premier league.
How can I be so sure it's the same person? Well after you see so many markets you will understand something called geniune money. I think kai from this forum knows allot better than me about that, he give me few hints.
Market is not the same, when is playing juve milan, or barca real. Trust me. And you can spott some patterns. It's not the same on french league, croatian league, japan j league. Australian a league. But you can surely spot pattern that occurs every time. And trust me, when is 9sec delay, that one person is here, trading with same stile every time even using the same stake. But he knew he can back under and if there is a goal he can close position and still make a profit on lay under, picking everything what is left. He is here when suspended is not working properly, who knows, maybe it's betfair?
How can I be so sure it's the same person? Well after you see so many markets you will understand something called geniune money. I think kai from this forum knows allot better than me about that, he give me few hints.
Market is not the same, when is playing juve milan, or barca real. Trust me. And you can spott some patterns. It's not the same on french league, croatian league, japan j league. Australian a league. But you can surely spot pattern that occurs every time. And trust me, when is 9sec delay, that one person is here, trading with same stile every time even using the same stake. But he knew he can back under and if there is a goal he can close position and still make a profit on lay under, picking everything what is left. He is here when suspended is not working properly, who knows, maybe it's betfair?
And this statemant its not risk free if he is backing under. Trust me it is. When markets like this today is going down on under, people think suspend is working properly but they don't realize how big delay they have even betfair doesn't know this. When situation with some attack finish and they miss the goal. He is backing under at odd 1.5 for ex. And odd before that was lower few ticks. People after 10second see what he saw and they are laying heavily to exit trade and they are laying his money on 1.5 but he knew there is no worry for a goal coz they missed the chance. And his tickoffset is going to 1.49, and people are now realize they missed the goal and start backing again.
If you don't understand this than I don't know what to write anymore
If you don't understand this than I don't know what to write anymore
I gather English isn't your first language but that doesn't make any sense. If he backs Under and there's a goal the price goes up - he can only lay for a loss.
I think traders are smarter than you give credit for. You can judge how long the latency is (picture delay) by seeing how many seconds the market's been in-play when you see the kick-off on your video stream. You can also see the delay between activity you see on the ladder and what you see in the video. When a corner's taken, for example, you can tell whether it's a goal kick, another corner or the defending team's got possession from the prices on the ladder. You can also reduce the chances of being mugged by using fill or kill and not leaving unmatched bets exposed for long.inspiron wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:20 amAnd this statemant its not risk free if he is backing under. Trust me it is. When markets like this today is going down on under, people think suspend is working properly but they don't realize how big delay they have even betfair doesn't know this. When situation with some attack finish and they miss the goal. He is backing under at odd 1.5 for ex. And odd before that was lower few ticks. People after 10second see what he saw and they are laying heavily to exit trade and they are laying his money on 1.5 but he knew there is no worry for a goal coz they missed the chance. And his tickoffset is going to 1.49, and people are now realize they missed the goal and start backing again.
If you don't understand this than I don't know what to write anymore