Ukraine Crisis

[Archery1969]

How come Ukraine is being so successful in Crimea, behind enemy lines.

Russia seems rather confused because S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) units were deployed to the Crimea peninsula earlier this year. They are some of the most advanced in the world. While they defend against aircraft and larger missiles, the S-400s are protected by smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, delivering a two-layered defence system.

So how come Ukraine is being so successful so far in the area.

Well, the USA recently sent AGM-88 high speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) to Ukraine. These can destroy the radars of SAMs and early warning anti-air systems, effectively rendering them useless.

$775m of military support is a bit of a commitment that Putin will be aware of. I'm wondering how long he either
a) relents and seeks a peaceful compromise
b) escalates

I don't think nukes are on the table. If you were facing an opponent with equal ability to wipe out civilisation as we know it, would any sane person pull the trigger?
Problem is Putin (and me) has underestimated Ukraine and how willing the UN nations are to support them with superior weapons.
But the sword of damacles of nukes that hung over my early years until the fall of the USSR is now back.
With due respect to napshnap, there are better ways to resolve disputes.
I've been reading a lot and it seems to me like Ireland. Someone, somehow has to find that narrow channel in the conflict to a better place for everyone.
We could do with the equivalents of Mo Mowlam and John Hulme for Ukraine right now.

Putin will have no choice but to escalate.

Winter can be very harsh in Ukraine. Many of his troops are cut off in certain areas as Ukraine has destroyed allot of its own bridges. Getting supplies to them will be near impossible. Once he gets large numbers starving, freezing and running out of munitions then he will be highly likely to do something severe. Will he drop a tactical nuke in the hope of bringing Zelensky and Ukraine too its knees ? No idea but he might. Question will be what would the west do if he did. No idea.

I think the big player in all this could be Germany, if Russia turns off the gas for 3 months many companies in Germany will go bust, not to mention people unable to heat their homes too. I think the Germans will do whatever it takes to protect there energy supplies, they got no choice. That could cause a massive split in the EU current united front.

But I don’t think Putin or Zelensky are going to listen to anyone.

[Derek27]

How come Ukraine is being so successful in Crimea, behind enemy lines.

Russia seems rather confused because S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) units were deployed to the Crimea peninsula earlier this year. They are some of the most advanced in the world. While they defend against aircraft and larger missiles, the S-400s are protected by smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, delivering a two-layered defence system.

So how come Ukraine is being so successful so far in the area.

Well, the USA recently sent AGM-88 high speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) to Ukraine. These can destroy the radars of SAMs and early warning anti-air systems, effectively rendering them useless.

The S-400 was designed to shoot down US F-22s and even US military analysts seemed quite fearful of them a while ago. But as we've seen, Putin's military isn't all it's cracked up to be. Have they got the logistics and organization to keep those batteries supplied, properly maintained and operational?

[Archery1969]

How come Ukraine is being so successful in Crimea, behind enemy lines.

Russia seems rather confused because S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) units were deployed to the Crimea peninsula earlier this year. They are some of the most advanced in the world. While they defend against aircraft and larger missiles, the S-400s are protected by smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, delivering a two-layered defence system.

So how come Ukraine is being so successful so far in the area.

Well, the USA recently sent AGM-88 high speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) to Ukraine. These can destroy the radars of SAMs and early warning anti-air systems, effectively rendering them useless.

The S-400 was designed to shoot down US F-22s and even US military analysts seemed quite fearful of them a while ago. But as we've seen, Putin's military isn't all it's cracked up to be. Have they got the logistics and organization to keep those batteries supplied, properly maintained and operational?

Well, their frontline troops were found with field bandages with a date of 1979 and expiry 1989.

So it would seem they can’t manage anything Derek.

Just had thought, hope the poor chaps are not eating field rations from the same era.

[Archery1969]

I wonder who did this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

[Derek27]

"Boris Johnson was honoured with a Hollywood walk-of-fame style flagstone and received a medal for his wartime support of Ukraine on his final visit to Kyiv as Prime Minister today."

If I ever visit Kyiv, after a long night drinking, I'll visit his plaque and vomit on it!

[Derek27]

I wonder who did this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

She was a beautiful woman, even if her views were grotesque. I just wish the intended target was killed instead.

[Trader Pat]

I wonder who did this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

She was a beautiful woman, even if her views were grotesque. I just wish the intended target was killed instead.

Another Putin false flag probably

[Derek27]

I wonder who did this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62621509

She was a beautiful woman, even if her views were grotesque. I just wish the intended target was killed instead.

Another Putin false flag probably

Do you mean Putin might have been behind it, for propaganda purposes?

[Trader Pat]

She was a beautiful woman, even if her views were grotesque. I just wish the intended target was killed instead.

Another Putin false flag probably

Do you mean Putin might have been behind it, for propaganda purposes?

He's got form (allegedly )

[Derek27]

Another Putin false flag probably

Do you mean Putin might have been behind it, for propaganda purposes?

He's got form (allegedly )

I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that her father decided to take a different car at the last minute, but hard to believe her father could be in on it. Apparently, the authorities investigated and solved the case in 24 hours! If only our police could work that quickly.

[Trader Pat]

Do you mean Putin might have been behind it, for propaganda purposes?

He's got form (allegedly )

I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that her father decided to take a different car at the last minute, but hard to believe her father could be in on it. Apparently, the authorities investigated and solved the case in 24 hours! If only our police could work that quickly.

I doubt Ukraine were responsible, at least at the top levels of government. They'd lose a lot of international goodwill and for what, to blow up some Russian mouthpiece? It's always possible some Ukrainian dissidents could be to blame but it seems a bit too sophisticated, I think it's more likely Putin set this in motion.

At least they did it right this time around, none of your smearing novichok on doorknobs for these guys!

[Derek27]

He's got form (allegedly )

I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that her father decided to take a different car at the last minute, but hard to believe her father could be in on it. Apparently, the authorities investigated and solved the case in 24 hours! If only our police could work that quickly.

I doubt Ukraine were responsible, at least at the top levels of government. They'd lose a lot of international goodwill and for what, to blow up some Russian mouthpiece? It's always possible some Ukrainian dissidents could be to blame but it seems a bit too sophisticated, I think it's more likely Putin set this in motion.

At least they did it right this time around, none of your smearing novichok on doorknobs for these guys!

I never imagined Ukraine would be behind it, but what you say makes sense, unless it was a terrorist organization within Russia, few would have the ability to carry it out and leave Russia. Her father may have been set up to take a different car, but I'd be surprised if he knew his daughter was going to be killed and equally surprised if he goes along with Putin's plan!

[Trader Pat]

I thought it was a bit of a coincidence that her father decided to take a different car at the last minute, but hard to believe her father could be in on it. Apparently, the authorities investigated and solved the case in 24 hours! If only our police could work that quickly.

I doubt Ukraine were responsible, at least at the top levels of government. They'd lose a lot of international goodwill and for what, to blow up some Russian mouthpiece? It's always possible some Ukrainian dissidents could be to blame but it seems a bit too sophisticated, I think it's more likely Putin set this in motion.

At least they did it right this time around, none of your smearing novichok on doorknobs for these guys!

I never imagined Ukraine would be behind it, but what you say makes sense, unless it was a terrorist organization within Russia, few would have the ability to carry it out and leave Russia. Her father may have been set up to take a different car, but I'd be surprised if he knew his daughter was going to be killed and equally surprised if he goes along with Putin's plan!

Have to say though she looked pretty good in her coffin for somebody who had just been blown up in a car bomb.

[Derek27]

I doubt Ukraine were responsible, at least at the top levels of government. They'd lose a lot of international goodwill and for what, to blow up some Russian mouthpiece? It's always possible some Ukrainian dissidents could be to blame but it seems a bit too sophisticated, I think it's more likely Putin set this in motion.

At least they did it right this time around, none of your smearing novichok on doorknobs for these guys!

I never imagined Ukraine would be behind it, but what you say makes sense, unless it was a terrorist organization within Russia, few would have the ability to carry it out and leave Russia. Her father may have been set up to take a different car, but I'd be surprised if he knew his daughter was going to be killed and equally surprised if he goes along with Putin's plan!

Have to say though she looked pretty good in her coffin for somebody who had just been blown up in a car bomb.

I wish I was an undertaker at that mortuary.

[Trader Pat]

I never imagined Ukraine would be behind it, but what you say makes sense, unless it was a terrorist organization within Russia, few would have the ability to carry it out and leave Russia. Her father may have been set up to take a different car, but I'd be surprised if he knew his daughter was going to be killed and equally surprised if he goes along with Putin's plan!

Have to say though she looked pretty good in her coffin for somebody who had just been blown up in a car bomb.

I wish I was an undertaker at that mortuary.