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Derek27
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Dallas wrote:
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:17 pm
tbh he probably just saved us from a further 30mins of raised hopes and torture before still going out to either a late dumb goal or on penalties
That's the wrong attitude to take - we would have won a penalty shootout. ;)
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England slide to a valiant defeat. Has this happened before?
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Archangel wrote:
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:30 pm
What odds a Croatia v Morocco World Cup Final
I was thinking of starting a QF accumulator challenge thread, but when I saw the quarter-finalists, I thought it would just be a case of which outsider you pick against Argentina/Brazil/France/Portugal. Never thought two of them would get through.
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Euler wrote:
Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:33 pm
England slide to a valiant defeat. Has this happened before?
Its like an episode of Black Mirror at this stage
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I get sick of hearing "56 years and counting" or "56 years of hurt", as though we're destined or have a god-given right to win another world cup. We have to win it just like all the other nations.
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Just hours after England has been knocked out of the world cup, while the entire nation is crying, ASDA are still airing their advert advising you to get your food and beer in for the footy. :lol:
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As a neutral I thought England look slightly better than France, but it's the goals that matter. However I did think it was a foul on an England player that left them exposed at the back and lead to the first goal from France.

tbh I wanted both the England match and the Portugal match to go into extra time, both games thoroughly entertaining
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Been arguing with quite a few people this morning as I said Kane shouldn't have taken the second penalty.

Can you imagine the pressure on him at that point? Put yourself if both Kane's head and Lloris, Lloris had nothing to lose at that point, Kane everything.

WC quarter finals, against his team mate, having scored the first, to put England almost through and go top of the England scorers list.

Everything really hinged on that exact moment and the expectations were too high.

Lloris would have felt he could force a mistake and Kane would be in a different world uncertain of what to do.
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Euler
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The French were all at sea in the second half, they got away with one there.
henbet22
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I am always uneasy when same player takes 2 pens in a game. Would like to see the stats. Not sure who was next cab off the rank in that spot though :?
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And if Kane had scored he would become Englands top scorer ahead of Rooney. Perhaps that was a psychological factor too.
But he was never going to delegate responsibility, thats his nature.
It's very disappointing but they now know for sure they can give any team problems.
Hope they realise they deserved more from the game and also that it doesn't rattle Kane's confidence.
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Euler wrote:
Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:10 am
Been arguing with quite a few people this morning as I said Kane shouldn't have taken the second penalty.

Can you imagine the pressure on him at that point? Put yourself if both Kane's head and Lloris, Lloris had nothing to lose at that point, Kane everything.

WC quarter finals, against his team mate, having scored the first, to put England almost through and go top of the England scorers list.

Everything really hinged on that exact moment and the expectations were too high.

Lloris would have felt he could force a mistake and Kane would be in a different world uncertain of what to do.
The pressure would be massive for every player, I don't think the pressure is any different to taking one in a shootout. And what we know of Kane is that he's someone who has dealt well with pressure over his career.

Do you think Kane should have taken the first penalty? Is there a certain minute that the game passes and you think someone else should have taken it because the pressure builds?

Kane is a decent penalty taker, as the pressure builds I would rate his ability to hold up psychologically would fair better than most in the team. The fact that he had already taken and converted a great penalty under pressure would only increase the chances of scoring a 2nd imo (Lloris also went the wrong way which indicates he didn't have a read of Kane). Taking everything into account I would rate his probability of scoring that 2nd pretty much as good as anyone on the pitch
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henbet22 wrote:
Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:06 am
I am always uneasy when same player takes 2 pens in a game. Would like to see the stats. Not sure who was next cab off the rank in that spot though :?
Surely you would feel more comfortable backing a player who has taken and scored a penalty already in a game than someone coming in fresh? A fallacy to suggest otherwise imo
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Depends if they used their go to penalty on the first one.
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Kane has three 3 pens.

Keepers right usually hard.
Down the middle.
Keepers left not as hard sometimes gets side netting with right foot curl.

He was never gonna go down the middle as its asking for trouble in such a game.

So he has two options.

imo he went go to first up as a rightfooter. He tried to repeat the trick. He was brave. No penalty goalscoring midfielders like Gerrard and Lampard to share duties. He blasted it and lost his technique a bit. Sport eh?
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