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greenmark
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:25 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:04 pm
The irony of this astounds me.

Lukashenko warns Belarus will join Russia in war if attacked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64664560
He's only saying that because he knows it won't happen. It's his way of trying to support Putin without getting involved.
Maybe you missed my poorly expressed point. Russia attacked Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Belarus are at risk of attack from NATO.
But you are right that it looks like Lukashenko rolling over like a puppy to have it's tummy tickled.
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greenmark wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:23 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:25 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:04 pm
The irony of this astounds me.

Lukashenko warns Belarus will join Russia in war if attacked

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64664560
He's only saying that because he knows it won't happen. It's his way of trying to support Putin without getting involved.
Maybe you missed my poorly expressed point. Russia attacked Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Belarus are at risk of attack from NATO.
But you are right that it looks like Lukashenko rolling over like a puppy to have it's tummy tickled.
It's a dictator's sense of humour. Like when a bunch of British soldiers and sailors were captured by the Iranians. President Dinnerjacket released them eventually and asked the British PM not to punish them for their wrongdoing. :lol:
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:29 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:23 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:25 pm


He's only saying that because he knows it won't happen. It's his way of trying to support Putin without getting involved.
Maybe you missed my poorly expressed point. Russia attacked Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Belarus are at risk of attack from NATO.
But you are right that it looks like Lukashenko rolling over like a puppy to have it's tummy tickled.
It's a dictator's sense of humour. Like when a bunch of British soldiers and sailors were captured by the Iranians. President Dinnerjacket released them eventually and asked the British PM not to punish them for their wrongdoing. :lol:
It's a very depressing that a European leader should (and should feel the need) to engage in this kind of rhetoric. Let's go back 80 years, what a GREAT idea. Excellent work by Putin.
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The Homes for Ukrainians scheme is coming to an end and tens of thousands of Ukrainian women are now looking for a place to stay!
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:45 pm
The Homes for Ukrainians scheme is coming to an end and tens of thousands of Ukrainian women are now looking for a place to stay!
I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:45 pm
The Homes for Ukrainians scheme is coming to an end and tens of thousands of Ukrainian women are now looking for a place to stay!
I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:10 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:45 pm
The Homes for Ukrainians scheme is coming to an end and tens of thousands of Ukrainian women are now looking for a place to stay!
I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
We have the following stockpiled:

12,000 mobile anti tank missiles
8,000 mobile anti aircraft missiles
4,500 anti ship missiles
2,800 torpedos
3,000 air to air missiles
24 tonnes of plastic explosive
5 million rounds of small arms ammunition. We can also produce 1 million rounds per day if needed.

In December 2022 the MOD put in further orders totalling £700 million for anti tank/aircraft missiles to replenish 6,900 that were already sent to Ukraine.

It’s not known how many nuclear warheads we have in reserve. There are 224 operational and ready to go should the need arise.

Giving Ukraine jets would not work. Too long to train plus need secure infrastructure for maintenance and refuelling etc.

What they need the most and the west can do is give more tanks, anti tank/aircraft missiles and very long range missiles to hit Russian logistics already inside Ukraine to cut of their supply chains.

If I were Zelenski then I would concede on jets but insist on 300 mile missiles but offer a personal guarantee not to hit inside Russia itself. Give him 2,000 of those and that would be enough to grind Putin into the ground. An army can’t fight without supplies.

If I were the UK prime minister then I would take the lead like we did on tanks and send 300 long range missiles and offer to patrol Ukraine airspace with RAF fighter jets manned by our Pilots. Call Putins bluff, his fighter jets have not been seen since we sent Star Streak anti aircraft missiles.

If Ukraine loses all the snowflakes will be crying as Putin will not stop with Ukraine and sooner or later NATO will have no choice but to get involved.

Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ? WW3 and no good crying about your heating bills or the price of food. All the 18 to 45 year olds will be crying at being told to sign here and take the Kings shilling etc.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:10 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm


I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
We have the following stockpiled:

12,000 mobile anti tank missiles
8,000 mobile anti aircraft missiles
4,500 anti ship missiles
2,800 torpedos
3,000 air to air missiles
24 tonnes of plastic explosive
5 million rounds of small arms ammunition. We can also produce 1 million rounds per day if needed.

In December 2022 the MOD put in further orders totalling £700 million for anti tank/aircraft missiles to replenish 6,900 that were already sent to Ukraine.

It’s not known how many nuclear warheads we have in reserve. There are 224 operational and ready to go should the need arise.

Giving Ukraine jets would not work. Too long to train plus need secure infrastructure for maintenance and refuelling etc.

What they need the most and the west can do is give more tanks, anti tank/aircraft missiles and very long range missiles to hit Russian logistics already inside Ukraine to cut of their supply chains.

If I were Zelenski then I would concede on jets but insist on 300 mile missiles but offer a personal guarantee not to hit inside Russia itself. Give him 2,000 of those and that would be enough to grind Putin into the ground. An army can’t fight without supplies.

If I were the UK prime minister then I would take the lead like we did on tanks and send 300 long range missiles and offer to patrol Ukraine airspace with RAF fighter jets manned by our Pilots. Call Putins bluff, his fighter jets have not been seen since we sent Star Streak anti aircraft missiles.

If Ukraine loses all the snowflakes will be crying as Putin will not stop with Ukraine and sooner or later NATO will have no choice but to get involved.

Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ? WW3 and no good crying about your heating bills or the price of food. All the 18 to 45 year olds will be crying at being told to sign here and take the Kings shilling etc.
Isn't every action from NATO designed to present a united front to Russia's (sorry, Putin's) aggression. Putin has put himself in a corner. The guy has lost the plot. The sooner Russia removes him, the better for us all. Well maybe. Who knows who would come next!
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
If I were the UK prime minister then I would take the lead like we did on tanks and send 300 long range missiles and offer to patrol Ukraine airspace with RAF fighter jets manned by our Pilots. Call Putins bluff, his fighter jets have not been seen since we sent Star Streak anti aircraft missiles.

If Ukraine loses all the snowflakes will be crying as Putin will not stop with Ukraine and sooner or later NATO will have no choice but to get involved.

Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ? WW3 and no good crying about your heating bills or the price of food. All the 18 to 45 year olds will be crying at being told to sign here and take the Kings shilling etc.
UK pilots operating in Ukraine would be direct involvement. We'd effectively be at war with Russia and I'm not even sure if we could trigger Article 5 if our mainland was attacked.

There's no chance of 18 to 45-year-olds being called up. It's Putin's tactic but bullets fired by untrained office workers have no effect against missiles and artillery. Can you even imagine the queues at GP surgeries to get sick notes? :lol:
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Derek27 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:33 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
If I were the UK prime minister then I would take the lead like we did on tanks and send 300 long range missiles and offer to patrol Ukraine airspace with RAF fighter jets manned by our Pilots. Call Putins bluff, his fighter jets have not been seen since we sent Star Streak anti aircraft missiles.

If Ukraine loses all the snowflakes will be crying as Putin will not stop with Ukraine and sooner or later NATO will have no choice but to get involved.

Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ? WW3 and no good crying about your heating bills or the price of food. All the 18 to 45 year olds will be crying at being told to sign here and take the Kings shilling etc.
UK pilots operating in Ukraine would be direct involvement. We'd effectively be at war with Russia and I'm not even sure if we could trigger Article 5 if our mainland was attacked.

There's no chance of 18 to 45-year-olds being called up. It's Putin's tactic but bullets fired by untrained office workers have no effect against missiles and artillery. Can you even imagine the queues at GP surgeries to get sick notes? :lol:
I can see all the snowflakes trying to get sick notes. :lol:
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:10 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm


I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
We have the following stockpiled:

12,000 mobile anti tank missiles
8,000 mobile anti aircraft missiles
4,500 anti ship missiles
2,800 torpedos
3,000 air to air missiles
24 tonnes of plastic explosive
5 million rounds of small arms ammunition. We can also produce 1 million rounds per day if needed.

In December 2022 the MOD put in further orders totalling £700 million for anti tank/aircraft missiles to replenish 6,900 that were already sent to Ukraine.

It’s not known how many nuclear warheads we have in reserve. There are 224 operational and ready to go should the need arise.

Giving Ukraine jets would not work. Too long to train plus need secure infrastructure for maintenance and refuelling etc.

What they need the most and the west can do is give more tanks, anti tank/aircraft missiles and very long range missiles to hit Russian logistics already inside Ukraine to cut of their supply chains.

If I were Zelenski then I would concede on jets but insist on 300 mile missiles but offer a personal guarantee not to hit inside Russia itself. Give him 2,000 of those and that would be enough to grind Putin into the ground. An army can’t fight without supplies.

If I were the UK prime minister then I would take the lead like we did on tanks and send 300 long range missiles and offer to patrol Ukraine airspace with RAF fighter jets manned by our Pilots. Call Putins bluff, his fighter jets have not been seen since we sent Star Streak anti aircraft missiles.

If Ukraine loses all the snowflakes will be crying as Putin will not stop with Ukraine and sooner or later NATO will have no choice but to get involved.

Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ? WW3 and no good crying about your heating bills or the price of food. All the 18 to 45 year olds will be crying at being told to sign here and take the Kings shilling etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyWIpzHGMy4

The plot is - Cartman (Archery and reptilian people) wants to go to Casa Bonita (make billions on "gladiators fights" stealing "wallets" while the people are watching, but not sure about Archery's motivation, I think he's just military way hot headed) so he lures poor naive childishly stupid Butters ("snowflakes", the people, working class) into (don't laugh!!) a bomb shelter)))) (an escalation) telling him that cloud toxic radiation's turning people into zombies ("Can you imagine what will happen if Russia/Putin/Saddam/Gaddafi/Boogeyman...", "it's for your own safety").
And poor stupid Butters follows him...
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:10 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm


I got room for 3 of them in my bunker. 🤠
Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
...
Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ?
...

I know who would be the next ones, guys.

1) Hungary. Peter Szijjarto (their foreign minister): "“We welcome non-governors and non-regents,” he stated, emphasizing that the era of foreign envoys telling Hungarians how to live in their own country “is over.”"
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/196974/Hun ... al-affairs

"Stepping out from the trans-Atlantic bubble, it is very obvious that the voices in favor of peace and the desire for peace are much louder than the mainstream liberal media in the trans-Atlantic world would have us believe."
https://europeanconservative.com/articl ... nizations/

2) Ireland (yikes!). Irish MEP Mick Wallace: "This (Nord Stream attack) was a premeditated terrorist attack on European critical infrastructure. It was also environmental terrorism. Does the EU care? Do you need to know who did it or do you want to know?", ""Have we become so subservient, has the EU become so subservient, to US empire that we can’t even ask them if they did it. Is that a f*****g joke.""
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... mour-hersh

So, keep an eye on them traitors, they dare to screw the narrative!
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napshnap wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:47 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:22 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm


...
... Who knows who would come next!
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:10 pm

Sunak says we have a stockpile of weapons.
And implies they will be used for Ukraine's long-term security. But no jets.
...
Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ?
...

I know who would be the next ones, guys.

1) Hungary. Peter Szijjarto (their foreign minister): "“We welcome non-governors and non-regents,” he stated, emphasizing that the era of foreign envoys telling Hungarians how to live in their own country “is over.”"
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/196974/Hun ... al-affairs

"Stepping out from the trans-Atlantic bubble, it is very obvious that the voices in favor of peace and the desire for peace are much louder than the mainstream liberal media in the trans-Atlantic world would have us believe."
https://europeanconservative.com/articl ... nizations/

2) Ireland (yikes!). Irish MEP Mick Wallace: "This (Nord Stream attack) was a premeditated terrorist attack on European critical infrastructure. It was also environmental terrorism. Does the EU care? Do you need to know who did it or do you want to know?", ""Have we become so subservient, has the EU become so subservient, to US empire that we can’t even ask them if they did it. Is that a f*****g joke.""
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... mour-hersh

So, keep an eye on them traitors!
Well there are gobby nutters on both sides aren't there?
And my "Who knows who would come next!" comment was about who might succeed Putin and the fact that they might be worse.
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:30 pm
napshnap wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:47 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:22 pm

... Who knows who would come next!
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm


...
Can you imagine what will happen if Russia then goes in to support Serbia ?
...
...
Well there are gobby nutters on both sides aren't there?
And my "Who knows who would come next!" comment was about who might succeed Putin and the fact that they might be worse.
(edited the post)
Hmm, 100% it's gonna be some shady previously unheard persona.
greenmark
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napshnap wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:19 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:30 pm
napshnap wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:47 pm




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Well there are gobby nutters on both sides aren't there?
And my "Who knows who would come next!" comment was about who might succeed Putin and the fact that they might be worse.
(edited the post)
Hmm, 100% it's gonna be some shady previously unheard persona.
I just wish we could put all this nonsense behind us and get on with selling each other stuff, collaborating to make the world better. For sure the human effort involved in the killing spree in Ukraine could have helped a great many people if directed differently. Such is life, but sad.
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