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superfrank
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I'm not a fan of technical analysis type books, but I enjoy trading books that deal more with why things happen, psychology and just general good trading stories.

I'll start this thread with some books I can highly recommend:

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great stories, quotes and insights

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great read - chapter 1 starts with...
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If one believes in a random universe, a strong case can be made for the fact that any sort of technical analysis and trading tactics are in fact quite useless. Under this scenario, random and unpredictable price movements makes research, analysis, and market timing an exercise in futility, and relegates any kind of strategy (other than buy-and-hold) to a game of chance, not skill. As Burton Malkiel famously noted, "A blindfolded monkey throwing darts at the financial pages of a newspaper can select a portfolio that will do just as well as one carefully selected by the experts". This market view is supported by the fact that the vast majority of mutual funds fail to beat the broader market year after year, and history shows us that the ten best-performing funds in any one year will drop to the bottom of the pack in the following two to four years, meaning that a manager''s outperformance is largely the product of luck, like a gambler''s short-term winning streak. Simply put, there is no way to consistently beat the market.
Needless to say, this view of things does not sit well with Wall Street, which preaches that research, analysis, and relying on expertise are the keys to investing (and their business model!). Assuming that we can draw a similar parallel to other markets, then why bother trading? Why spend so much time researching the market and analyzing prices when we could just as simply close our eyes and buy or sell?
Thankfully for traders, although the random walk theory paints a strong case against mutual funds, it is not entirely bullet-proof. Investors consistently fall prey to fear, envy, overconfidence, faddism, and other recognizably human imperfections that make markets not only inefficient but predictably inefficient. In the short run, recognizable patterns are indeed visible in the stock market. Bubbles are created, and then burst. If the DOW goes up one week, it is more likely to go up the next week. In the long run all of these moves smooth themselves out, but in the short run, predicting and trading these constant adjustments can actually make for quite a profitable proposition. Through research and analysis we can visually identify these inefficiencies and market anomalies in charts, and then trade their expected outcomes. The point in trading is therefore not to forecast the future events themselves, but rather to predict and profit from their consequences instead.
The day the financial community realized exactly how imperfect a science it practices was 19 October 1987. On this "Black Monday" US stock markets managed to drop an incredible 22.6% for no apparent reason, which proved especially shocking to the brilliant mathematical minds that had spent their academic careers solving most of the puzzles surrounding proper pricing and valuation. By the late 1980s it seemed that markets had finally been "figured out" and trading was no longer the realm of risk-hungry cowboys as technology quickly came to replace the gut in pricing (and trading) decisions. Yet in light of all this, the world''s biggest and most sophisticated market still managed to shed nearly one-quarter of its value in one day and on no news, putting into question even the most basic financial assumptions. By noon of that day, IBM''s stock stopped trading in the face of only sell orders; literally no one wanted to buy. If a stock is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, did this mean that IBM''s stock was, at least for the time being, worthless? What exactly was going on? How could we call the market rational and efficient, let alone figured out?
The fact that this event now seems as distant as the stock market crash of 1929 is evidence of just how much we have moved forward, yet many of the underlying reasons behind the crash are still around today and the trading lessons behind these underline the major differences from what we may call the "academic" view of markets and the trader''s view.
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excellent for the psychological aspects of trading (the importance of truly thinking in probabilities and not just paying lip service to it) - however it is repetitive and contains lots of needless waffle.

'just started this (expensive new, but got a copy on eBay for 6 quid):

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Predicton
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Hi S,

love the extract from "Beat The Forex Dealer", the writing style makes it look very readable, I'll definitely grab a copy of that.

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't rate the Mark Douglas books. It seems to me that he is the master of stating the bleedin' obvious, then again that may be that my forays inot the world of gambling which ensures that I stick rigidly to a plan, in that game if you don't you're dead in the water. He adds a couple of things about trading ranges breakouts etc. with a couple of good hints on stop placing, but it's stuff readily available on the internet.

I prefer "Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar" by Al Brooks and "Trading for a Living" by Dr Elder Alexander.For those who don't feel the need to hold something of substance, both of these are available as free downloads,

cheers, P
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superfrank
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P,

I agree that Douglas writes badly, but I have a soft spot for titz (as I like to call it!), but that's probably because it was the first trading book I read.

I'll check out your recommendations.

Thanks,
SF.
Predicton
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Titz, lol.
freddy
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I the one about the turtles,
don't know what it's called thoe, maybe some else does
rubysglory
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[quote="superfrank"]I have a soft spot for titz .
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Same here!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

rg
Iron
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Are you thinking of this one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Turtle ... 0061241709

I like Covel as an author, even though he has accused me on his blog of lacking critical thinking skills and worshiping authority (the latter was because I ventured to suggest that, whilst Warren Buffet was controversial, he was no Gordon Gekko!). :lol:

Jeff
freddy wrote:I the one about the turtles,
don't know what it's called thoe, maybe some else does
freddy
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Think it was this one, but it's a while since i read it
and there are quite a few books about the turtles.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Way-Turtle-Meth ... 007148664X


The experiment showed how important the metal aspect of trading is, even if you tell people exactly how and what to do to make money, many will still fail or do less well that others.
Groovyelms
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"Bets and the city" by Sally Nicoll. Funny, sassy and takes a lighter look at the serious side of trading.
luck to you all
Groovy
andyfuller
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Has anyone any experience of this book:

Technical Analysis of the Futures Markets: A Comprehensive Guide to Trading Methods and Applications [Hardcover] – J Murphy

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Technical-Analy ... 651&sr=8-4

I was told it was to quote: "the bible of technical analysis." And seems to get very good reviews.

There is a study guide as well:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Technical-Analy ... 613&sr=8-1

I have seen both books cheaper elsewhere btw.
Iron
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Having spent a lot of time studying TA (and believing in it), I would be very wary.

You have to ask yourself why a particular pattern will work. IMHO, to the extent that TA works, it's only because it involves following trends.

Jeff
andyfuller
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At this stage I am open to all ideas tbh, even the bad ones as I think you can learn just as much from bad ideas as you can from good ideas from my experience of trading sports.

So although you say to be wary I am still keen to explore this area as I am all areas.

Jeff can you do a thread on your trend following with some past examples as you aren't currently trading financials and then when you do start on them again post up some 'live' examples.

Would be much appreciated.
Iron
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andyfuller wrote: Jeff can you do a thread on your trend following with some past examples.
I don't have any examples to show (to cut a long story short, I haven't applied the philosphy with live money yet).

Jeff
andyfuller
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Doesn't matter if you have actually traded them, I was just keen to see some examples, a bit of after timing at its best so to speak ;)

Or have you not researched it on historical prices?
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