US Presidential Election 2024

[firlandsfarm]

A court has ruled that Trump has committed fraud for years, inflating the value of his assets to secure finance, and deflating them for tax or whenever it suited him.

No mention of what happens next. Is that not enough to bang him up?

If so then you can bang up many people ... let he who has never accepted cash in return for a taxable transaction and not reported it and/or who has never presented the 'best' representation of their financial position when applying for finance cast the first stone.

It's not the act but the size of the fraud that counts. And he was president, FFS. Aren't law-abiding and tax-paying citizens entitled to better?

And the harm to others should also count. My understanding is that loans plus interest have been fully repaid in accordance with their terms. Yes it was wrong of him same as it is wrong of everybody who has committed such acts. Did you ever tell a girl you loved her just to get her into bed. it's the same principle, misrepresentation! And where was the lender's due diligence?

[Naffman]

New Iowa poll has Trump at 43 and DeSantis/Haley tied at 16. Had to eat my words a little but I didn't expect Haley to be level, you can get 18s with William Hill for nomination if you can.

[Naffman]

Difference in favourable from the August poll to now:

Trump: 65/33.....67/32 (+3)
DeSantis: 66/29.....68/26 (+5)
Haley: 53/26.....59/29 (+3)
Scott: 59/17.....61/23 (-4)
Vivek: 38/20.....43/37 (-12)

DeSantis did better in the favourables but his polls went down, 41% of those who picked Trump named DeSantis as their second pick, that's his problem at the minute is trying to convert those voters.

[Derek27]

If so then you can bang up many people ... let he who has never accepted cash in return for a taxable transaction and not reported it and/or who has never presented the 'best' representation of their financial position when applying for finance cast the first stone.

It's not the act but the size of the fraud that counts. And he was president, FFS. Aren't law-abiding and tax-paying citizens entitled to better?

And the harm to others should also count. My understanding is that loans plus interest have been fully repaid in accordance with their terms. Yes it was wrong of him same as it is wrong of everybody who has committed such acts. Did you ever tell a girl you loved her just to get her into bed. it's the same principle, misrepresentation! And where was the lender's due diligence?

No, I haven't actually.

If you fiddle the DWP out of £50 they'll ask you to pay it back. If it's £5K it's criminal prosecution. That principle applies everywhere. The fact that he paid the money back with interest is a very weak argument. Bank robbers aren't given the option to avoid prosecution by paying the money back.

[firlandsfarm]

Bank robbers aren't given the option to avoid prosecution by paying the money back.

Bank robbers don't have a contract with the bank prior to the event. Trump did as was agreed with the bank in the loan terms and met them, that is totally different to stealing what you can and then paying it back. Also the bank doesn't get to do due diligence on bank robbers before they are robbed whereas they are expected to do it on a customer when asking for a loan ... again, totally different. In fact I can't think of a more out of kilter comparison!

I'm not saying he didn't do wrong, I'm just saying nobody was harmed and nobody lost out, the bank received what they expected to receive when they expected to receive it. A bit like our legal system the USA would be better to spend their efforts on resolving serious crime like gun crime than this just as we would be better dealing with burglaries rather than cracking down on people who use the wrong pronoun!

[Derek27]

Bank robbers aren't given the option to avoid prosecution by paying the money back.

Bank robbers don't have a contract with the bank prior to the event. Trump did as was agreed with the bank in the loan terms and met them, that is totally different to stealing what you can and then paying it back. Also the bank doesn't get to do due diligence on bank robbers before they are robbed whereas they are expected to do it on a customer when asking for a loan ... again, totally different. In fact I can't think of a more out of kilter comparison!

I'm not saying he didn't do wrong, I'm just saying nobody was harmed and nobody lost out, the bank received what they expected to receive when they expected to receive it. A bit like our legal system the USA would be better to spend their efforts on resolving serious crime like gun crime than this just as we would be better dealing with burglaries rather than cracking down on people who use the wrong pronoun!

The bank asked him to (honestly) declare the value of his assets. He most likely signed a declaration that what he said was true to the best of his knowledge, so he didn't do what was agreed. He lied through his teeth.

[Naffman]

From the Poll:

"Of those who name DeSantis as their first choice for president, 27% name Haley as their second choice. But 41% say their second choice is Trump.

For Haley, 34% of her first-choice supporters pick DeSantis as their second choice for president, 19% select Scott and 14% choose Burgum. Just 12% say Trump is their second-choice candidate.

“To my mind, she's done the best job of differentiating that she is the non-Trump candidate, to the extent that they don't see him as even a second choice,” Selzer said.

Of those who name Trump as their first choice for president, 41% say DeSantis is their second choice. Haley is at 16% and Ramaswamy is at 15%."

That's the problem, DeSantis needs Haley to drop out but she won't and why should she when she tied for 2nd, Trump would actually benefit if RDS were to drop out.

There's still 2.5 months left so plenty of time but DeSantis somehow has to win over the Trump undecided voters.

[firlandsfarm]

I'm not saying he didn't do wrong,

just in case you chose not to read that bit!

The bank asked him to (honestly) declare the value of his assets. He most likely signed a declaration that what he said was true to the best of his knowledge, so he didn't do what was agreed. He lied through his teeth.

And that does not absolve the bank from carrying out it's own due diligence which they clearly didn't do.

Anyway you clearly think this is better use of the justices time than gun control. So far this year more than 35,000 deaths in the USA as a result of guns (https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-di ... d=97382759) ... how many were killed over Trump misreporting his assets?

Derek, stop riding your vendetta against Trump and get real with the world.

[Derek27]

I'm not saying he didn't do wrong,

just in case you chose not to read that bit!

The bank asked him to (honestly) declare the value of his assets. He most likely signed a declaration that what he said was true to the best of his knowledge, so he didn't do what was agreed. He lied through his teeth.

And that does not absolve the bank from carrying out it's own due diligence which they clearly didn't do.

Anyway you clearly think this is better use of the justices time than gun control. So far this year more than 35,000 deaths in the USA as a result of guns (https://abcnews.go.com/US/116-people-di ... d=97382759) ... how many were killed over Trump misreporting his assets?

Derek, stop riding your vendetta against Trump and get real with the world.

You sound like someone who gets themself into dept by spending lavishly and blames the banks for irresponsible lending, or not carrying out due diligence.

You sound like one of those idiots that think every £1 the government spends should be spent on a hospital. Spend £1 on anything else, and they say, that could be spent on a hospital!

The fact that 35,000 died of gun crime doesn't mean criminal fraudsters should be forgotten about.

[firlandsfarm]

You sound like someone who gets themself into dept by spending lavishly and blames the banks for irresponsible lending, or not carrying out due diligence.

You sound like one of those idiots that think every £1 the government spends should be spent on a hospital. Spend £1 on anything else, and they say, that could be spent on a hospital!

The fact that 35,000 died of gun crime doesn't mean criminal fraudsters should be forgotten about.

and you sound like someone who can only accept their own views and not those of others, now what is such a person called? Remind me.

Oh and BTW if someone was gunned down I'm sure they will feel comforted when the police tell them they couldn't help they were too busy solving a victimless crime.

[Derek27]

You sound like someone who gets themself into dept by spending lavishly and blames the banks for irresponsible lending, or not carrying out due diligence.

You sound like one of those idiots that think every £1 the government spends should be spent on a hospital. Spend £1 on anything else, and they say, that could be spent on a hospital!

The fact that 35,000 died of gun crime doesn't mean criminal fraudsters should be forgotten about.

and you sound like someone who can only accept their own views and not those of others, now what is such a person called? Remind me.

Oh and BTW if someone was gunned down I'm sure they will feel comforted when the police tell them they couldn't help they were too busy solving a victimless crime.

Disagreeing doesn't mean you can't accept the other person's entitled to their views. If anyone's a bigot it's you!

[firlandsfarm]

Disagreeing doesn't mean you can't accept the other person's entitled to their views. If anyone's a bigot it's you!

you can't even think up your own insults!

[Derek27]

Deluded Donald down to 2.74, 5 ticks above his lowest traded price.

[Derek27]

Deluded Donald told off by the judge for making speeches instead of answering questions.

[Derek27]

The judge said to Trump's legal team: I beseech you to control him if you can. If you can't, I will. I will excuse him and draw every negative inference that I can.