UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

Betfair trading & Punting on politics. Be aware there is a lot of off topic discussion in this group centred on Political views.
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Derek27
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:42 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:39 am
What a hypocrite!!

I was just saying your point doesn't make any sense, even in plain English. If you won't correct or explain yourself, why post?
Again I refer you to my previous (self explanatory) comments that I stand by and the wishes of others as set out in the This Forum thread. BTW, I thought you blanked me ... didn't last long did it!
You mean this comment.
firlandsfarm wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:26 am
a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make!
I can make two suggestions. You either don't understand English, or you're a pathological liar, unable to accept something you wrote needs correcting or clarifying, you lie about it, believe your own lies, and then you stand by your nonsensical comment. :lol:

Either way, it's your problem, not mine. :D
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:02 am
firlandsfarm wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:26 am
a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make!
I can make two suggestions. You either don't understand English, or you're a pathological liar, unable to accept something you wrote needs correcting or clarifying, you lie about it, believe your own lies, and then you stand by your nonsensical comment. :lol:

Either way, it's your problem, not mine. :D
Thank you for your suggestions but they were not needed, I am still happy with the points I have made and stand by them. I'm afraid I really don't have the time to explain why my English was correct but the construct is over 2,000 years old and it's use in English dates from at least 1642, maybe earlier.

Oh and I guess I should thank you for even more insults though I would encourage you to try and be a little more imaginative.
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People, can we stop all this nonsense and help each other make money ? ;)
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:30 am
Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:02 am
firlandsfarm wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:26 am
a few from 300,000 does not a disconnect make!
I can make two suggestions. You either don't understand English, or you're a pathological liar, unable to accept something you wrote needs correcting or clarifying, you lie about it, believe your own lies, and then you stand by your nonsensical comment. :lol:

Either way, it's your problem, not mine. :D
Thank you for your suggestions but they were not needed, I am still happy with the points I have made and stand by them. I'm afraid I really don't have the time to explain why my English was correct but the construct is over 2,000 years old and it's use in English dates from at least 1642, maybe earlier.

Oh and I guess I should thank you for even more insults though I would encourage you to try and be a little more imaginative.
Thanks for clearing that up, so it must be the latter. :D
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:36 am
Thanks for clearing that up, so it must be the latter. :D
There is no "must be" about it for that assumes I concur with your suggestions but as I said they served no purpose. I stand by my previous comments
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Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:43 am
People, can we stop all this nonsense and help each other make money ? ;)
I'm sorry Archery, since the This Forum thread I have restricted myself to making one comment of disagreement that I have basically followed up by simply referring the other party back to my previous comment, I have not expanded upon them. In my attempts at not aggravating the situation I have not returned insults nor bitten at attempts to induce me into argument. A similar approach by the other party would close this and any future exchange immediately!
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:18 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:43 am
People, can we stop all this nonsense and help each other make money ? ;)
I'm sorry Archery, since the This Forum thread I have restricted myself to making one comment of disagreement that I have basically followed up by simply referring the other party back to my previous comment, I have not expanded upon them. In my attempts at not aggravating the situation I have not returned insults nor bitten at attempts to induce me into argument. A similar approach by the other party would close this and any future exchange immediately!
No need to apologize to me. Everyone knows my political views as I made no secret about being a paid up member of the conservative party. Although I have to admit, they are pushing me to the edge of no return on some issues.

But, anyway, some of these threads are turning into a political smudge.

As some have said, its a trading, betting, gambling forum. All those are difficult to master, even for me. I think we should put just as much effort into helping each other make some £$£$£$£$£$ as we do taking political sides.

However, its not my forum, so crack on. Just think its a shame. You and Derek plus others have allot of experience and knowledge and I want it. :D
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:18 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:43 am
People, can we stop all this nonsense and help each other make money ? ;)
I'm sorry Archery, since the This Forum thread I have restricted myself to making one comment of disagreement that I have basically followed up by simply referring the other party back to my previous comment, I have not expanded upon them. In my attempts at not aggravating the situation I have not returned insults nor bitten at attempts to induce me into argument. A similar approach by the other party would close this and any future exchange immediately!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is why I called you a hypocrite and narcissist. I stopped posting for two days and you absolutely bombarded me with replies and insults, and you think I'm trying to induce you into an argument. :lol:

You ignore my questions but feel entitled and have the audacity to ask me questions. You keep mentioning the This Forum thread, which asked BOTH of us to stop bickering, but like a true narcissist, you're unable to accept any responsibility yourself, despite your relentless replies when I stopped posting. It has to be the other guy's fault.

I only asked you to explain a comment that I didn't understand (which you wouldn't have posted in the first place if you respected the wishes of others on the forum). If you had the remotest level of intelligence, you'd realise that whether your comment needs explaining is not your decision. The person you're talking to makes that decision. Normal human beings have absolutely no problem with that, see here for an example.

viewtopic.php?p=343878#p343878

Paul, in the example post, could have called me an idiot for not understanding him or said, "I made myself clear, I stand by my advice, sorry if it's gone above your head...", but he didn't. He explained what he meant and I don't need to spend the next three days trying to get an answer out of him!

It's worth realising you can be insulting without profanity. Calling somebody a fuckin' wanker is no better and no worse than comments like, I refer you to my previous comments, sorry if it's gone above your head, you're the one that mentioned a particular word that's not relevant to the question, etc.

Feel free to reply and have the last word. I won't read it until it's dropped off the page, if at all, and I won't reply to any more of your posts. It's entirely up to you if you want to do the same, but being the narcissist that you are, I guess you'll feel entitled to keep posting and it's me that should stop.

All the best.
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:55 pm
This is why I called you a hypocrite and narcissist. I stopped posting for two days and you absolutely bombarded me with replies and insults, and you think I'm trying to induce you into an argument. :lol:

You ignore my questions but feel entitled and have the audacity to ask me questions. You keep mentioning the This Forum thread, which asked BOTH of us to stop bickering, but like a true narcissist, you're unable to accept any responsibility yourself, despite your relentless replies when I stopped posting. It has to be the other guy's fault.

I only asked you to explain a comment that I didn't understand (which you wouldn't have posted in the first place if you respected the wishes of others on the forum). If you had the remotest level of intelligence, you'd realise that whether your comment needs explaining is not your decision. The person you're talking to makes that decision. Normal human beings have absolutely no problem with that, see here for an example.

viewtopic.php?p=343878#p343878

Paul, in the example post, could have called me an idiot for not understanding him or said, "I made myself clear, I stand by my advice, sorry if it's gone above your head...", but he didn't. He explained what he meant and I don't need to spend the next three days trying to get an answer out of him!

It's worth realising you can be insulting without profanity. Calling somebody a fuckin' wanker is no better and no worse than comments like, I refer you to my previous comments, sorry if it's gone above your head, you're the one that mentioned a particular word that's not relevant to the question, etc.

Feel free to reply and have the last word. I won't read it until it's dropped off the page, if at all, and I won't reply to any more of your posts. It's entirely up to you if you want to do the same, but being the narcissist that you are, I guess you'll feel entitled to keep posting and it's me that should stop.

All the best.
You just can't stop yourself can you, I'm sure you love your perfect self living in your perfect always right world.
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meanwhile, back on The Forum!!
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jimibt wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:51 pm
meanwhile, back on The Forum!!
Is it worth me sifting back through what went before? I suspect not. I really wish the combined intelligence of this forum would join and produce something more than squabbling.
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:36 pm
jimibt wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:51 pm
meanwhile, back on The Forum!!
Is it worth me sifting back through what went before? I suspect not. I really wish the combined intelligence of this forum would join and produce something more than squabbling.
I think the Forum needs to decide if it wants to have politically related threads. I appreciate this and the USA Election threads were started with the intention of discussing trading issues but the trouble is someone makes a comment that XYZ can be criticised for something, another disputes the criticism and before you know it you are in a political exchange and not a trading one! :(
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:29 pm
greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:36 pm
jimibt wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:51 pm
meanwhile, back on The Forum!!
Is it worth me sifting back through what went before? I suspect not. I really wish the combined intelligence of this forum would join and produce something more than squabbling.
I think the Forum needs to decide if it wants to have politically related threads. I appreciate this and the USA Election threads were started with the intention of discussing trading issues but the trouble is someone makes a comment that XYZ can be criticised for something, another disputes the criticism and before you know it you are in a political exchange and not a trading one! :(
I agree. Seperate trading from general debate. I don't want BA to censor the opinions of this forum's views on life, the universe and everything. But think those colourful opinions should be away from evidently trading threads. We have enough places to let loose.
Rant, Happy Corner, Beer Garden. Jeez how many more places do we need to talk complete bollocks or surprise each other with a view on an issue that we've not considered before?
Lets add "politics", 'religion", "law and order" threads where discussion of odds is prohibited.

There does need to be a level of self discipline. The trading threads are blindingly obvious in their intention. Calling Trump a **** doesn't really inform the US election thread.
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Fiona Bruce was on the verge of saying shithole on Question Time, but she bottled out at the last moment. :lol:
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:22 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:29 pm
greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:36 pm

Is it worth me sifting back through what went before? I suspect not. I really wish the combined intelligence of this forum would join and produce something more than squabbling.
I think the Forum needs to decide if it wants to have politically related threads. I appreciate this and the USA Election threads were started with the intention of discussing trading issues but the trouble is someone makes a comment that XYZ can be criticised for something, another disputes the criticism and before you know it you are in a political exchange and not a trading one! :(
I agree. Seperate trading from general debate. I don't want BA to censor the opinions of this forum's views on life, the universe and everything. But think those colourful opinions should be away from evidently trading threads. We have enough places to let loose.
Rant, Happy Corner, Beer Garden. Jeez how many more places do we need to talk complete bollocks or surprise each other with a view on an issue that we've not considered before?
Lets add "politics", 'religion", "law and order" threads where discussion of odds is prohibited.

There does need to be a level of self discipline. The trading threads are blindingly obvious in their intention. Calling Trump a **** doesn't really inform the US election thread.
That is a very sensible discussion thread from Firlandsfarm, and Greenmark. And current in the public domain.

I have read comments from the owner and admin who mirror simillar statements to that effect !!!

Directories are setup so the community are clearly signposted.

So if your not interested in a bit of humour, a laugh and a joke then you know what else to look for. I do not need people like LeTiss to try and moderate, lecture me on what I can, and cannot do ....
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