The beer garden

[greenmark]

Feel free to delete my post, I can’t. All will be revealed in due course etc.

Links!! On such an important matter. Some reference is the difference between waffle and well-founded info

Don’t think I can post links freely from the dark web without getting into trouble.

Like I said, mods should delete and people can wait for the facts to materialise.

So for the moment you're talking out of your arse about a tragic death?

[Archery1969]

Links!! On such an important matter. Some reference is the difference between waffle and well-founded info

Don’t think I can post links freely from the dark web without getting into trouble.

Like I said, mods should delete and people can wait for the facts to materialise.

So for the moment you're talking out of your arse about a tragic death?

You could put it that way but I not going to post links for what happened. It will all come out shortly and people can make their own minds up. All deaths are tragic unless your talking about the Yorkshire Ripper etc.

The following is undisputed facts.

- Spanish police say they have found a body in an area near where British teenager Jay Slater went missing almost a month ago in Tenerife
- Evidence strongly suggests the body is that of the 19-year-old, police say, adding they believe the person may have died due to a fall
- The 19-year-old has not been seen since 17 June when he called friends to say he was lost in a mountainous area after a night out
- British missing persons charity LBT Global said his possessions and clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered
- "It is understood the body was found close to the site of his mobile phone's last location," the charity added
- Officials say a formal identification and post-mortem on the remains will take place

Now, read the above, multiple times and you come up with....

- His clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered. Was he naked then, how does that happen if he fell to his death by accident ?
- Body was found close to his mobile phones last location. But hold on, they searched his mobile phones last location, hundreds of people plus dogs did, how was he not found earlier ?

Also, they used cadaver dogs, they dont get tired or go off shift. They find dead people/animals by scent even in extreme heat or cold.

Something very fishy going on. Basically they found him in an area they already searched, multiple times.

[greenmark]

Don’t think I can post links freely from the dark web without getting into trouble.

Like I said, mods should delete and people can wait for the facts to materialise.

So for the moment you're talking out of your arse about a tragic death?

You could put it that way but I not going to post links for what happened. It will all come out shortly and people can make their own minds up. All deaths are tragic unless your talking about the Yorkshire Ripper etc.

The following is undisputed facts.

- Spanish police say they have found a body in an area near where British teenager Jay Slater went missing almost a month ago in Tenerife
- Evidence strongly suggests the body is that of the 19-year-old, police say, adding they believe the person may have died due to a fall
- The 19-year-old has not been seen since 17 June when he called friends to say he was lost in a mountainous area after a night out
- British missing persons charity LBT Global said his possessions and clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered
- "It is understood the body was found close to the site of his mobile phone's last location," the charity added
- Officials say a formal identification and post-mortem on the remains will take place

Now, read the above, multiple times and you come up with....

- His clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered. Was he naked then, how does that happen if he fell to his death by accident ?
- Body was found close to his mobile phones last location. But hold on, they searched his mobile phones last location, hundreds of people plus dogs did, how was he not found earlier ?

Also, they used cadaver dogs, they dont get tired or go off shift. They find dead people/animals by scent even in extreme heat or cold.

Something very fishy going on. Basically they found him in an area they already searched, multiple times.

My view is that the search was utterly incompetent. I know mountain rescue people and they are incandescent with rage that he could not have been found early on. The general view is that the local services are idiots that didn't really give a shit.

[Archery1969]

So for the moment you're talking out of your arse about a tragic death?

You could put it that way but I not going to post links for what happened. It will all come out shortly and people can make their own minds up. All deaths are tragic unless your talking about the Yorkshire Ripper etc.

The following is undisputed facts.

- Spanish police say they have found a body in an area near where British teenager Jay Slater went missing almost a month ago in Tenerife
- Evidence strongly suggests the body is that of the 19-year-old, police say, adding they believe the person may have died due to a fall
- The 19-year-old has not been seen since 17 June when he called friends to say he was lost in a mountainous area after a night out
- British missing persons charity LBT Global said his possessions and clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered
- "It is understood the body was found close to the site of his mobile phone's last location," the charity added
- Officials say a formal identification and post-mortem on the remains will take place

Now, read the above, multiple times and you come up with....

- His clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered. Was he naked then, how does that happen if he fell to his death by accident ?
- Body was found close to his mobile phones last location. But hold on, they searched his mobile phones last location, hundreds of people plus dogs did, how was he not found earlier ?

Also, they used cadaver dogs, they dont get tired or go off shift. They find dead people/animals by scent even in extreme heat or cold.

Something very fishy going on. Basically they found him in an area they already searched, multiple times.

My view is that the search was utterly incompetent. I know mountain rescue people and they are incandescent with rage that he could not have been found early on. The general view is that the local services are idiots that didn't really give a shit.

+ 1

Was also incompetent that they initially refused help from British Police. Not saying they are perfect by any means but they may have advised to spend much more time at the start on the location of mobile phones last ping etc.

I still find it difficult to understand why the dogs didn’t find him allot sooner. While serving in Afghanistan we lost contact with one of a team, the dog with us found him 3 hours later over 2km away. He was the dogs handler so basically tracked and found him via scent alone in immense heat conditions. Apart from carrying the soldier we also had to the carry the dog, who collapsed. But he found his master/mate.

[greenmark]

You could put it that way but I not going to post links for what happened. It will all come out shortly and people can make their own minds up. All deaths are tragic unless your talking about the Yorkshire Ripper etc.

The following is undisputed facts.

- Spanish police say they have found a body in an area near where British teenager Jay Slater went missing almost a month ago in Tenerife
- Evidence strongly suggests the body is that of the 19-year-old, police say, adding they believe the person may have died due to a fall
- The 19-year-old has not been seen since 17 June when he called friends to say he was lost in a mountainous area after a night out
- British missing persons charity LBT Global said his possessions and clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered
- "It is understood the body was found close to the site of his mobile phone's last location," the charity added
- Officials say a formal identification and post-mortem on the remains will take place

Now, read the above, multiple times and you come up with....

- His clothes were found close to where the remains were discovered. Was he naked then, how does that happen if he fell to his death by accident ?
- Body was found close to his mobile phones last location. But hold on, they searched his mobile phones last location, hundreds of people plus dogs did, how was he not found earlier ?

Also, they used cadaver dogs, they dont get tired or go off shift. They find dead people/animals by scent even in extreme heat or cold.

Something very fishy going on. Basically they found him in an area they already searched, multiple times.

My view is that the search was utterly incompetent. I know mountain rescue people and they are incandescent with rage that he could not have been found early on. The general view is that the local services are idiots that didn't really give a shit.

+ 1

Was also incompetent that they initially refused help from British Police. Not saying they are perfect by any means but they may have advised to spend much more time at the start on the location of mobile phones last ping etc.

I still find it difficult to understand why the dogs didn’t find him allot sooner. While serving in Afghanistan we lost contact with one of a team, the dog with us found him 3 hours later over 2km away. He was the dogs handler so basically tracked and found him via scent alone in immense heat conditions. Apart from carrying the soldier we also had to the carry the dog, who collapsed. But he found his master/mate.

Dogs are our best freind, There are exceptions. But our Border Collie was a nutter. Taking him into Wales and sheep country was pure stress. He could sniff a sheep far before we aware they were around and he was off like a bullet.
We got him because his Welsh farmer couldn't train him. There's a lesson. Don't dabble where an expert won't go.
But the farmer was about to "dispose" of him but my Dad couldn't accept that so rescued him. The most extraordinarily, aggressive, courageous, protective, animal I lived with. Far, far better than a lot of humans.

[Archery1969]

My view is that the search was utterly incompetent. I know mountain rescue people and they are incandescent with rage that he could not have been found early on. The general view is that the local services are idiots that didn't really give a shit.

+ 1

Was also incompetent that they initially refused help from British Police. Not saying they are perfect by any means but they may have advised to spend much more time at the start on the location of mobile phones last ping etc.

I still find it difficult to understand why the dogs didn’t find him allot sooner. While serving in Afghanistan we lost contact with one of a team, the dog with us found him 3 hours later over 2km away. He was the dogs handler so basically tracked and found him via scent alone in immense heat conditions. Apart from carrying the soldier we also had to the carry the dog, who collapsed. But he found his master/mate.

Dogs are our best freind, There are exceptions. But our Border Collie was a nutter. Taking him into Wales and sheep country was pure stress. He could sniff a sheep far before we aware they were around and he was off like a bullet.
We got him because his Welsh farmer couldn't train him. There's a lesson. Don't dabble where an expert won't go.
But the farmer was about to "dispose" of him but my Dad couldn't accept that so rescued him. The most extraordinarily, aggressive, courageous, protective, animal I lived with. Far, far better than a lot of humans.

Well, if people knew what happens to attack service dogs after 3 tours I am sure there would be uproar. The argument being there trained to do one thing well. You can’t have them on/off the lead in a public park or street. I think that rule has changed since 2012 and all is done to somehow find a different way, if possible.

Back in 2008, my last tour, on the plane, SGT says all personnel to depart first when we land at RAF base in Wiltshire, the 6 dogs to remain in their crates. I asked why as they always left with us on previous tours. He didn’t answer me. The Vet onboard told me what was going to happen.

As you can probably imagine, allot of pissed off soldiers once I spread the word.

Plane lands, took over an hour to fully depart, we all searched for non issued firearms, in the waiting area for coaches to take us back to Aldershot.

Some seriously pissed off RMP’s asking where the dogs were and all 147 of us would be on a charge unless we came forward with information.

Impressive for that amount of individuals to keep a secret and not one of them buckle, including the Vet onboard that flight.

[Archery1969]

Starmer has his work cut out.

Labour MP on newsnight. We need to build more housing and block local complaints.

Did you ever block new housing in your area. NO I didn’t, are you sure, yes, I am.

But you blocked a development of flats. O yes, I did because we already had 40,000 new homes.

So, you did block it. Yes but…..

I wonder what happens if other Labour MPs do the same, ie NOT IN MY BACK YARD etc.

[greenmark]

+ 1

Was also incompetent that they initially refused help from British Police. Not saying they are perfect by any means but they may have advised to spend much more time at the start on the location of mobile phones last ping etc.

I still find it difficult to understand why the dogs didn’t find him allot sooner. While serving in Afghanistan we lost contact with one of a team, the dog with us found him 3 hours later over 2km away. He was the dogs handler so basically tracked and found him via scent alone in immense heat conditions. Apart from carrying the soldier we also had to the carry the dog, who collapsed. But he found his master/mate.

Dogs are our best freind, There are exceptions. But our Border Collie was a nutter. Taking him into Wales and sheep country was pure stress. He could sniff a sheep far before we aware they were around and he was off like a bullet.
We got him because his Welsh farmer couldn't train him. There's a lesson. Don't dabble where an expert won't go.
But the farmer was about to "dispose" of him but my Dad couldn't accept that so rescued him. The most extraordinarily, aggressive, courageous, protective, animal I lived with. Far, far better than a lot of humans.

Well, if people knew what happens to attack service dogs after 3 tours I am sure there would be uproar. The argument being there trained to do one thing well. You can’t have them on/off the lead in a public park or street. I think that rule has changed since 2012 and all is done to somehow find a different way, if possible.

Back in 2008, my last tour, on the plane, SGT says all personnel to depart first when we land at RAF base in Wiltshire, the 6 dogs to remain in their crates. I asked why as they always left with us on previous tours. He didn’t answer me. The Vet onboard told me what was going to happen.

As you can probably imagine, allot of pissed off soldiers once I spread the word.

Plane lands, took over an hour to fully depart, we all searched for non issued firearms, in the waiting area for coaches to take us back to Aldershot.

Some seriously pissed off RMP’s asking where the dogs were and all 147 of us would be on a charge unless we came forward with information.

Impressive for that amount of individuals to keep a secret and not one of them buckle, including the Vet onboard that flight.

The notion of a loyal pooch being despatched in that way is really disturbing, I hope things have changed.

I think I read that German Shepherds for the police were getting more difficult to find. Because breeding had bred out the aggression even though the trainability was still there. Does this mean we can expect to see US Bully's as police dogs soon. That would put the wind up any miscreant. But they're useless unless you can control them. So maybe not.

[Archery1969]

Dogs are our best freind, There are exceptions. But our Border Collie was a nutter. Taking him into Wales and sheep country was pure stress. He could sniff a sheep far before we aware they were around and he was off like a bullet.
We got him because his Welsh farmer couldn't train him. There's a lesson. Don't dabble where an expert won't go.
But the farmer was about to "dispose" of him but my Dad couldn't accept that so rescued him. The most extraordinarily, aggressive, courageous, protective, animal I lived with. Far, far better than a lot of humans.

Well, if people knew what happens to attack service dogs after 3 tours I am sure there would be uproar. The argument being there trained to do one thing well. You can’t have them on/off the lead in a public park or street. I think that rule has changed since 2012 and all is done to somehow find a different way, if possible.

Back in 2008, my last tour, on the plane, SGT says all personnel to depart first when we land at RAF base in Wiltshire, the 6 dogs to remain in their crates. I asked why as they always left with us on previous tours. He didn’t answer me. The Vet onboard told me what was going to happen.

As you can probably imagine, allot of pissed off soldiers once I spread the word.

Plane lands, took over an hour to fully depart, we all searched for non issued firearms, in the waiting area for coaches to take us back to Aldershot.

Some seriously pissed off RMP’s asking where the dogs were and all 147 of us would be on a charge unless we came forward with information.

Impressive for that amount of individuals to keep a secret and not one of them buckle, including the Vet onboard that flight.

The notion of a loyal pooch being despatched in that way is really disturbing, I hope things have changed.

I think I read that German Shepherds for the police were getting more difficult to find. Because breeding had bred out the aggression even though the trainability was still there. Does this mean we can expect to see US Bully's as police dogs soon. That would put the wind up any miscreant. But they're useless unless you can control them. So maybe not.

This article might be rather upsetting if you love dogs:

British Army Put Down 1,200 Combat Dogs

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/news/combat-dogs.html

I suspect the Police will switch to Belgian Malinois, thats what we had in Afganistain. We used to call them land sharks.

[sionascaig]

I suspect the Police will switch to Belgian Malinois, thats what we had in Afganistain. We used to call them land sharks.

There is a lot of YouTube videos on the Malinois (military trained)... Very very impressive in a scary way.

And also why they are only suitable for a relatively few number of people which may explain why they are put down when service finishes (basically they need to be worked constantly & will be right in your face until they get a job to do).

Favourite occupation seems to be biting stuff - not great if you have young children...

On a side note, in Scotland, a police dog escaped when out for a walk with its handler - chased a deer... Public were told that on no account should they run away if they came across it )

[Archery1969]

I suspect the Police will switch to Belgian Malinois, thats what we had in Afganistain. We used to call them land sharks.

There is a lot of YouTube videos on the Malinois (military trained)... Very very impressive in a scary way.

And also why they are only suitable for a relatively few number of people which may explain why they are put down when service finishes (basically they need to be worked constantly & will be right in your face until they get a job to do).

Favourite occupation seems to be biting stuff - not great if you have young children...

On a side note, in Scotland, a police dog escaped when out for a walk with its handler - chased a deer... Public were told that on no account should they run away if they came across it )

Yeah, they are scary, we use to dive bomb them into the compund swimming pool first thing in the morning and late afternoon. They loved it.

Thinking about it, not sure I would let the Police have them without some serious training, could go very messy if used at football matches for crowd control.

Had one that use to sleep under my bed on the compound. Jesus did it snore. I didn't have the bottle to tap it and tell it to shut up.

[sionascaig]

Thinking about it, not sure I would let the Police have them without some serious training, could go very messy if used at football matches for crowd control.

Agreed! It makes a lot more sense (and safer) to issue the police with electric whips )

[Archery1969]

Thinking about it, not sure I would let the Police have them without some serious training, could go very messy if used at football matches for crowd control.

Agreed! It makes a lot more sense (and safer) to issue the police with electric whips )

+ 1

Now I thinking of getting a puppy one. I have several acres of land so exercise won’t be a problem and I can create an obstacle course to keep him/her focused.

What could possibly go wrong…

[greenmark]

Thinking about it, not sure I would let the Police have them without some serious training, could go very messy if used at football matches for crowd control.

Agreed! It makes a lot more sense (and safer) to issue the police with electric whips )

+ 1

Now I thinking of getting a puppy one. I have several acres of land so exercise won’t be a problem and I can create an obstacle course to keep him/her focused.

What could possibly go wrong…

I wouldn't now think of getting a dog. I've concluded they are more 24/7 than infants. They may not show it to most people but I'm convinced they cannot fucntion properly without their "pack". They get unhappy, cranky. Maybe that's why some go berserk. A little neglect (or a lot depending breed and individual nature) and wallop!...... a powerful set of jaws looking for something to rip.

[Archery1969]

Agreed! It makes a lot more sense (and safer) to issue the police with electric whips )

+ 1

Now I thinking of getting a puppy one. I have several acres of land so exercise won’t be a problem and I can create an obstacle course to keep him/her focused.

What could possibly go wrong…

I wouldn't now think of getting a dog. I've concluded they are more 24/7 than infants. They may not show it to most people but I'm convinced they cannot fucntion properly without their "pack". They get unhappy, cranky. Maybe that's why some go berserk. A little neglect (or a lot depending breed and individual nature) and wallop!...... a powerful set of jaws looking for something to rip.

Greenmark, I’m in Canada now, I can take it for long wilderness walks and woods sleepovers. I worked with dogs in Afghanistan, keep them busy, focused and happy all will be fine. Problem arises with people keeping large powerful dogs in flats or small gardens left on their own most of the day.