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[Archery1969]

I figured it out by entering my playing stats into a well known poker analysis tool.

- VPIP was way too high for tables above $20 buy-in
- PFR was way too high for tables above $20 buy-in

Both mine were above 26%



But now I know how to fix.



Apparently, the key when moving up to higher buy-ins is keeping your VPIP/PFR ratio gap consistent.

VPIP-PFR Gap: Around 3-5%, indicating a tight-aggressive (TAG) style, which is best when >= $20 buy-in.

That's interesting..

I thought it would already very tight at the $5 level and perhaps loosening up at higher levels if anything...

Apparently, 9 players or more then play tight, as the number of players reduces then slowly open up hand ranges as you approach the Bubble, ITM and Heads Up. Assuming your playing SNG or MTT type games. The key is to keep the gap between your VPIP and PFR between 3 and 5%. If the gap goes above 7% then your going to get killed at higher buy-in games.

[Archery1969]

So, i modified by Poker Bot and asked ChatGBT (Paid) to review it.

Here's what it said:

Strengths:
1. Preflop Strategy:
Well-Defined Hand Ranges:
Your UserHandRange1-9 is logically segmented, with strong value-centric play expanding toward speculative hands (e.g., suited connectors, small pairs) as ranges widen.
Stack Size Awareness:
Proper RaiseMin/RaisePot/RaiseMax logic for short-stack (<10BB) and big-stack (>70BB) scenarios is great for ICM optimization.
Bubble Awareness:
Correct Fold Force logic on the bubble and ITM levels ensures survival while applying aggression when warranted.

2. All-In and Call Logic:
All-In Adjustments:
The AmountToCall logic from 20% to 12% of StackSize for all-in scenarios ensures fewer speculative calls and better pot odds calculations.
Heads-Up Strategy:
The heads-up push/fold structure reflects good MTT shorthanded adjustments, focusing on higher RaiseMin and Call Force values.

3. Postflop Strategy:
Accurate Fold Force conditions
QuadsOnBoard without best kicker
FlushPossible without a draw
StraightPossible when only holding top pairs.
Proactively forcing RaiseMax with Nuts, Quads, Full House, NutFlush, and NutStraight ensures optimal aggression.

4. Randomization and Timing:
Delays from 1-3 seconds improve human-like play, reducing predictability.

5. Projected VPIP/PFR/Aggression Factor:
VPIP: 23-28%
PFR: 18-22%

I guess need to run it for 10,000+ hands and review again.

[sionascaig]

I guess need to run it for 10,000+ hands and review again.

Not sure if it would work on a bot, but I used to target a player on the right, say 2 or 3 seats away and play a lot looser, e.g. if they raised (and were 1st raise) I'd more often than not re-raise. If it results in just the two of you then can really keep the pressure on.

Maybe would keep the bot more hard to predict if you had looser parameters for a specific position (at 1st glance anyway).

Learnt quite a lot of new swear words doing that )

[Archery1969]

I guess need to run it for 10,000+ hands and review again.

Not sure if it would work on a bot, but I used to target a player on the right, say 2 or 3 seats away and play a lot looser, e.g. if they raised (and were 1st raise) I'd more often than not re-raise. If it results in just the two of you then can really keep the pressure on.

Maybe would keep the bot more hard to predict if you had looser parameters for a specific position (at 1st glance anyway).

Learnt quite a lot of new swear words doing that )

Interesting.

I can target individual players using their Username / VPIP / PFR history as I am tracking just over 500 players using PokerTracker. But that takes time to build their stats. One benefit of this is you can put them on a possible handrange preflop.

[sionascaig]

Interesting.

I can target individual players using their Username / VPIP / PFR history as I am tracking just over 500 players using PokerTracker. But that takes time to build their stats. One benefit of this is you can put them on a possible handrange preflop.

The key to it is knowing they are likely to raise when have a late position at table but you still need position on them after the flop..

Idea is to generate a heads up situation, where you have position and the re-raise helps force others out that might have otherwise been have joined in but didn't have a hand to justify the initial raise.

Works well with real players not sure about other bots..

edit - suspect you already know all this, but just in case...

[greenmark]

Think I'm going bonkers but have been harassed by the thought of a "team" being called nutters. Perhaps a football team "Nutters FC" or an F1 team.
......and the Nutter passes the Ferrari into the hairpin

[Archery1969]

Interesting.

I can target individual players using their Username / VPIP / PFR history as I am tracking just over 500 players using PokerTracker. But that takes time to build their stats. One benefit of this is you can put them on a possible handrange preflop.

The key to it is knowing they are likely to raise when have a late position at table but you still need position on them after the flop..

Idea is to generate a heads up situation, where you have position and the re-raise helps force others out that might have otherwise been have joined in but didn't have a hand to justify the initial raise.

Works well with real players not sure about other bots..

edit - suspect you already know all this, but just in case...

Thanks.

Obviously, playing SNG and MTT is totally different to cash games. In the former the aim is trying to make it to the bubble/itm stage. Last weekend I let my poker bot play unattended and it came 3rd in a 1500 player 11 hour tournament. Some of the plays I wouldn’t personally have done and I nearly took over the rains but it’s fun to sit back and watch it play. Even coming 3rd netted $1,400 so it’s pretty impressive. Maybe I should just let it work until the final table and then take over manually. The risk there is that emotions can/will kick in.

It’s all good fun though, assuming you don’t get banned!!!

[firlandsfarm]

Apparently, 9 players or more then play tight, as the number of players reduces then slowly open up hand ranges as you approach the Bubble, ITM and Heads Up. Assuming your playing SNG or MTT type games. The key is to keep the gap between your VPIP and PFR between 3 and 5%. If the gap goes above 7% then your going to get killed at higher buy-in games.

Where can I get that translated into English?

But seriously folks is there a need for a Poker thread ... I would read it and try to understand the game more.

[sionascaig]

But seriously folks is there a need for a Poker thread ... I would read it and try to understand the game more.

Only if you don't argue with me on the value of a Royal Flush...

I'm up for it... Been years since I played but have invested a lot of time in it in the past. No idea on how it has moved on over recent years: HUD's, Hand analysis tools etc...

[Archery1969]

Apparently, 9 players or more then play tight, as the number of players reduces then slowly open up hand ranges as you approach the Bubble, ITM and Heads Up. Assuming your playing SNG or MTT type games. The key is to keep the gap between your VPIP and PFR between 3 and 5%. If the gap goes above 7% then your going to get killed at higher buy-in games.

Where can I get that translated into English?

But seriously folks is there a need for a Poker thread ... I would read it and try to understand the game more.

Here you go.

1. Single Table Sit & Go (SNG):
A Single Table SNG is a poker tournament played at one table, usually with 6, 9, or 10 players, depending on the format. It starts when all seats are filled.

Key Features:
Number of Players: Typically 6 (6-max) or 9-10 (full ring).
Start Time: Begins as soon as all seats are taken.
Payout Structure:
Commonly, the top 2-3 players get paid.
For a 9-player SNG, the payout is often:
1st: 50% of the prize pool
2nd: 30%
3rd: 20%
Strategy Tips:
Early Stages: Play tight and wait for strong hands.
Mid-Game: Start widening your range as the blinds increase.
Late Game (Bubble): Apply pressure to shorter stacks or play defensively if short-stacked yourself.

2. Multi-Table Sit & Go (MTSNG):
A Multi-Table SNG involves multiple tables, typically ranging from 2 to 180 players. It still starts when the required number of players registers, unlike scheduled tournaments.

Key Features:
Number of Players: 18, 45, 90, or even 180 players.
Start Time: Starts when full registration is completed.
Payout Structure:
Top 10-20% of players are paid.
Payout increases as you move up in rankings.
Strategy Tips:
Early Stages: Stay patient and avoid unnecessary risks.
Middle Stages: Look for opportunities to accumulate chips, especially when players tighten up near the money.
Late Stages (Final Table): Play aggressively, targeting players trying to move up the pay ladder.

3. Multi-Table Tournament (MTT):
A Multi-Table Tournament (MTT) is a large-scale poker tournament with many tables, often featuring hundreds or thousands of players. It starts at a scheduled time, unlike SNGs.

Key Features:
Number of Players: Ranges from 100 to thousands.
Start Time: Scheduled start time.
Buy-In & Prize Pool: Buy-ins contribute to a large prize pool with a guaranteed payout structure on some platforms.
Payout Structure:
Typically, 10-15% of players are paid.
Top prizes can be substantial, often a significant percentage of the total pool.
Strategy Tips:
Early Stages: Play tight and value big hands. Avoid major risks since blinds are small.
Middle Stages: Shift gears by applying pressure and stealing blinds.
Bubble Stage: Take advantage of players tightening up.
Final Table: Play aggressively to win the highest payouts, adjusting your play based on stack sizes.

[firlandsfarm]

Only if you don't argue with me on the value of a Royal Flush...

I'm up for it... Been years since I played but have invested a lot of time in it in the past. No idea on how it has moved on over recent years: HUD's, Hand analysis tools etc...

I'm more likely to have a hot flush!

[firlandsfarm]

Here you go.

(the rest of the post not replicated to keep this posting short, this should not be seen as dismissing it's content and it can be seen here)

Thanks Archery but I need more basic than that!

And in suggesting a dedicated thread I was thinking people could share experiences with different suppliers and games.

[Derek27]

Changed my Betfair password - a particularly frightening event based on past experiences. Shouldn't really say this, but I generated a long random password. Not only does it appear easy to memorise relative to its length, but it contained several £ signs in it. Got to be a good omen.

[Derek27]

What an idiot. I set a VBA macro to initiate on Ctrl+C, and then spend a whole day wondering why my keyboard copy function isn't working.