so psychoff is a scam

[Euler]

I'm not going to let this one be used as a pile-on against somebody especially if you start calling for them to go to jail and the like. Just not acceptable behavior on the forum for anybody.

I don't mind discussions about things, but were we're talking about accusations and the like, it becomes a really dodgy area for the forum.

I checked out the credentials of the OP and they don't check out as a Bet Angel customer. If you are a Bet Angel customer, you're welcome to come forward into support and identify yourself.

I think it's better to lock this thread.

[ruthlessimon]

That jail comment was stupid but course sellers should publish verified records. So buyers can make a ROI judgement

[MakeThat$$$]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

why ?

If this forum defends people who scam or mislead players, then this place is not for me.

[Euler]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

why ?

If this forum defends people who scam or mislead players, then this place is not for me.

So I take it you are not a Bet Angel customer then? I note your email is from a German provider.

We are very open to broad and wide-ranging discussion here but you are attacking people and calling for them to go to Jail?

There have been many discussions on the forum about many different types of characters and none of them have descended to that level.

If you adopt a more reasonable tone it wouldn't be a problem but if you're just going on the attack, it doesn't serve any benefit.

[MakeThat$$$]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

why ?

If this forum defends people who scam or mislead players, then this place is not for me.

So I take it you are not a Bet Angel customer then? I note your email is from a German provider.

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thanks for sharing personal info
i m membber of this forum for years but now i talk about this man is a problem ?
ok
this thread must stay open so @psychoff reply

[MakeThat$$$]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

why ?

If this forum defends people who scam or mislead players, then this place is not for me.

he posted fake screenshots
is this legal ?
i dont think so

[stu410]

Could you please describe the scam you experienced? Are you aware of your mistake? Everything about him is clear and transparent. He still lives in the UK. He didn't force anyone to take the course and previously explained his reasons for offering it. He explained that he was giving the course for a UK residency permit and that he needed to have a source of income to show proof. There are never any inconsistencies in his figures. When he posted screenshots of his boyfriend on his Twitter page, you were all shocked; this is nothing but jealousy. He is my friend, and please tell us what kind of inconsistency you experienced so we can know. It's not ethical to comment on people who aren't here. Can you provide any documentation?

yeah he is a scam who posted fake screenshots of profits
you re a fanboi ?

If you read carefully, I'm not a fan, I'm a friend. He's posted recent and long-term BF screenshots on Twitter many times. Why does it bother you that he's a profitable trader? I understand you're saying the same thing about Caan Berry, calling him a "scammer." Stop attacking him, it won't gain you anything. He doesn't need anyone's protection or anyone's defense; I've known him for 30 years. Don't let the accuracy of the screenshots upset you. I wish you good luck.

[Euler]

why ?

If this forum defends people who scam or mislead players, then this place is not for me.

So I take it you are not a Bet Angel customer then? I note your email is from a German provider.

.

thanks for sharing personal info
i m membber of this forum for years but now i talk about this man is a problem ?
ok
this thread must stay open so @psychoff reply

That was a bluff, but thanks for confirming it.

[Euler]

I didn't even know about the screenshots or what the accusation is. I've never really looked at the screenshots, they don't mean much to me and I haven't watched the video. I'm just consciously aware that you can't run around calling people a fraud and saying send them to jail on a public forum. Especially if you do it anonymously. That was the point at which I stepped in on this thread.

Your are under no obligation to stay on the forum if you don't like it. I'm just trying to maintain order.

If you want to have a reasonable discussion, that's fine but if you go above that, that is not fine. I'm not going to waste my time discussing these very easy to understand rules.

[MakeThat$$$]

If you read carefully, I'm not a fan, I'm a friend. He's posted recent and long-term BF screenshots on Twitter many times. Why does it bother you that he's a profitable trader? I understand you're saying the same thing about Caan Berry, calling him a "scammer." Stop attacking him, it won't gain you anything. He doesn't need anyone's protection or anyone's defense; I've known him for 30 years. Don't let the accuracy of the screenshots upset you. I wish you good luck.

I'm not attacking anyone personally — I'm just pointing out facts. Calling yourself a 'friend of 30 years' doesn't make the obvious editing mistakes in his P&L screenshots disappear, nor does it explain the suspiciously low average profits compared to all the hype.
The Gurubusters video lays it out clearly with evidence. If he's truly that profitable, why not show properly verified statements instead of easily editable screenshots? Same pattern with the expensive courses.
I'm not bothered by profitable traders — I'm bothered by misleading ones. Good luck to you too

[MakeThat$$$]

That was a bluff, but thanks for confirming it.

Thanks for confirming it was a bluff. I accused you of revealing personal data (the email provider), and you just admitted it. The bluff didn't work — it was an attempt to dox and shift the focus.
That's crossing a line and likely illegal.
By defending someone who misleads people with edited screenshots, hype vs reality gaps, and expensive courses, you're only undermining your own credibility.
Stick to the actual issues. The Gurubusters video already exposed it with evidence

[ruthlessimon]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

Time him out. Because he's gonna ruin a discussion that should happen imo.

If Psychoff was just a guy trading in his bedroom keeping to himself, demanding a P&L is invasive and uncalled for. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

But the moment someone crosses the line into monetising their reputation, they are now a public business, and should be held to a higher standard.

[psychoff]

My friend, you are absolutely right in what you're saying. I wish everyone did that. That P&L disclosure you mentioned was done live right in front of all the participants on the very first day of every training I gave. They saw my P&L history live, going back as far as the Betfair page allows.

It's so strange on one hand that we are talking about these things in 2026, when I'm almost about to retire from trading. But as I wrote above, as long as it's asked politely, I'm ready to answer whatever anyone is curious about.

[Euler]

I think it's better to lock this thread.

Time him out. Because he's gonna ruin a discussion that should happen imo.

If Psychoff was just a guy trading in his bedroom keeping to himself, demanding a P&L is invasive and uncalled for. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

But the moment someone crosses the line into monetising their reputation, they are now a public business, and should be held to a higher standard.

Ok I'll give him a time out.

I personally do think that people who sell stuff should be accountable and prove that they are actually genuine because this is what this industry lacks. It has done for a long time and it always will do, especially the betting industry. It always suffers from people saying that they can do stuff when they clearly can't. This is what makes it so hard for me to actively promote the benefits of betting exchanges.

However all purchases are always made on the basis of caveat emptor. It is enshrined in law.

You also have this problem of compliance departments. I was asked to change my accounts so it's not unfeasible that others have been asked to do that too.

For me I have kept incredibly detailed records of everything that I've done, every image that I've posted, and every video that I've done, simply because I always knew that there would be scepticism.

But I also think there needs to be moral hazard. People who are challenging others need to come clean and show who they really are, put their balls are on the line and they take the consequences If they are wrong. If it's done anonymously, it carries no weight in my opinion.

Easy to take pot shots when there's no consequence.

But also let's broaden the discussion to people like tipsters. You see them all across the newspapers, on the TV, everywhere, and they're never held to account. Never.

It's always a source of great frustration to me that I'm doing some really cutting-edge work and yet will never see the light of day. If I tell you tomorrow to lump on at 9/4 on the TV, people will actually act on that.

[MakeThat$$$]

My friend, you are absolutely right in what you're saying. I wish everyone did that. That P&L disclosure you mentioned was done live right in front of all the participants on the very first day of every training I gave. They saw my P&L history live, going back as far as the Betfair page allows.

It's so strange on one hand that we are talking about these things in 2026, when I'm almost about to retire from trading. But as I wrote above, as long as it's asked politely, I'm ready to answer whatever anyone is curious about.

Showing P&L live only inside paid trainings is convenient, because the public can't verify it. The screenshots you've posted publicly for years have clear editing mistakes and don't match the low actual profits per market — as the Gurubusters video clearly demonstrates with evidence.
If you're almost retiring and everything is so transparent, why not just release full verified statements publicly instead of selective screenshots and expensive courses? That would shut down all doubts instantly.
Words are easy. Verified proof is what matters