Space X IPO

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jamesedwards wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 12:05 pm
Euler wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 11:33 am
I've seen loads of posts on X saying how unfair it is that Elon Musk is worth so much money but it's amazing how often people confuse valuations with actual money.

The human race is definitely dumbing down before our very eyes. Social media is now a disease spreading doltishness wherever it touches.
By design. Right? So much easier to click on something and watch a 30 second vid that's inline with other things you click on than maybe spending 30 minutes reading a reg statement (which in this case would show how bananas this whole thing is/was). First generation that's dumber than its parents.

Anyway, apologies - i'm moving way off topic here.

Here is Gwynee Shotwell COO of SpaceX in 2018 saying that you will be able to take a rocket to Asia from NYC by 2028 for around $2000. Starts at around 15:00 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dar8P3r7GYA

Utter horseshit - but i can't tell if she believes it or not.


Regardless of how you feel about Musk or the way the IPO was forced on most people what exactly are you investing in if you have bought SpaceX?
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I think it's a really interesting moment. You've got a company that's raised $75 billion but is valued at $2 trillion so the amount they've raised is just 3.6% of their valuation, which is pretty incredible. It's the software equivalent of vaporware.

I've seen lots of politicians claiming that they should have a wealth tax, but can you think about it? 1% on $2 trillion is $10 billion or double that if you go to 2%. Space X lost $5 billion last year. There's just a massive disconnect between the reality of how everything works and what people say.

Valuations are going to go all over the place and they may or may not be justified but you've got to let that play out. Let's say you did levy a wealth tax and it affected a company like SpaceX. Then of course you'd kill the company at birth. Nothing would happen. Nobody would invest.

All that aside. This is a massive punt in gambling terms.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 7:47 am
Elon became a "Trillionaire" before I did, so fair play to him on that one....
Just one trillion? That don't impress me much ;)
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:53 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 7:47 am
Elon became a "Trillionaire" before I did, so fair play to him on that one....
Just one trillion? That don't impress me much ;)
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Wealth tax for Shaun!
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I actually have some of those bank notes and also some of the German hyperinflation notes. I went through a spell in my life of collecting Bank notes.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:53 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 7:47 am
Elon became a "Trillionaire" before I did, so fair play to him on that one....
Just one trillion? That don't impress me much ;)
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:lol:

Is that Shaun or Shania?...
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Euler wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 11:39 am
PeterLe wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2026 10:50 am
Shaun/Peter
I've been thinking about investing some additional money for my Grandaughter (10) for when she reaches 21
This will be in addition to some 'safer' invetsments i already have for her
Risk Tolerance: Medium top high for good growth
Where would you consider putting it? :)
Id be interested in your thoughts please
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If she's very young, you may as well invest in a tracker of some sort. Either that or split it 50% tracker and 50% speculative. When they're very young you can take a lot of risk.

I've benefited massively from investing in the US so make sure you have a geographic spread.

Having spent a lot of time in the U.S., it was easy for me to make that decision.

My rule of thumb with my children is to put them into more speculative investments and they can de-risk it as they get older. But I've also got some classic long-termers in there.
Thanks Peter
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Sad the world has gone so far down the path of division and elites taking the p#ss ,because basically that is what it is.Once upon a time a company would have been declared bankrupt long before it knocked up 5 billion in debts .Buying into a firms potential is gambling pure and simple.But in reality it is not a gamble for those who are doing the investing(the major players) because if the gamble fails,they just prints some more digital money and pay themselves fat bonuses for doing so,just look at the bank bailouts !!!!
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The problem I see with the world as it stands is that if you take risks, you can get rewarded for those risks. Of course the number of people that take risks and fail is pretty high but that shouldn't stop you from taking risks. Therefore the people who do take the risks are the ones that benefit the most.

Musk took a huge gamble by investing the money he made from the first start up into PayPal then using that on Tesla, then SpaceX. Could have failed at any point. Many do!

The weird thing about this system is that some people do get disproportionately large payoffs but, personally, I feel that's worth it if it lifts everybody.

I think the SpaceX IPO has created about 4,400 millionaires. I've met some of them because when I would stay in Los Angeles, I'd stay near El Segundo, which is where SpaceX was based. I was lucky enough to be introduced to some of these people many years ago. Bloody good on them, they left good jobs and normal careers to have a punt on new tech.

I'm pretty sure the Facebook IPO did the same and yes, I know a few of those as well.

One of the problems I see is that people just don't take risks. But when people do and get rewarded, it's somehow unfair. We need to embrace, sensible, risk taking and watch the results. I'd say people in generally and nations are often too risk averse nowadays.

A friend of mind who I met through work emigrated with his family to Silicon Valley and took a massive risk. But he gets kudos there for doing it and is well rewarded. Good on him. Good on anybody that tries to make their life better.
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Euler wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2026 9:34 am
The problem I see with the world as it stands is that if you take risks, you can get rewarded for those risks. Of course the number of people that take risks and fail is pretty high but that shouldn't stop you from taking risks. Therefore the people who do take the risks are the ones that benefit the most.

Musk took a huge gamble by investing the money he made from the first start up into PayPal then using that on Tesla, then SpaceX. Could have failed at any point. Many do!

The weird thing about this system is that some people do get disproportionately large payoffs but, personally, I feel that's worth it if it lifts everybody.

I think the SpaceX IPO has created about 4,400 millionaires. I've met some of them because when I would stay in Los Angeles, I'd stay near El Segundo, which is where SpaceX was based. I was lucky enough to be introduced to some of these people many years ago. Bloody good on them, they left good jobs and normal careers to have a punt on new tech.

I'm pretty sure the Facebook IPO did the same and yes, I know a few of those as well.

One of the problems I see is that people just don't take risks. But when people do and get rewarded, it's somehow unfair. We need to embrace, sensible, risk taking and watch the results. I'd say people in generally and nations are often too risk averse nowadays.

A friend of mind who I met through work emigrated with his family to Silicon Valley and took a massive risk. But he gets kudos there for doing it and is well rewarded. Good on him. Good on anybody that tries to make their life better.
I completely agree with this post.

What’s funny is that when I first started trading and lay betting, even a £50–£100 liability scared me. Then I watched your video about winning whatever the result because, at the time, my main goal was simply figuring out how to get rid of that liability before the race even went in-play! 😂

When I saw the size of the liabilities in some of your other videos, I thought, “Wow!” Fast forward 10 years, and £5,000 liabilities at Cheltenham, Ascot, and other high-liquidity events don’t phase me anymore. The only thing that still concerns me is the risk of getting caught in a Betfair blackout.

You're absolutely right that the reward comes at the end. Once you accept risk, understand probability, and stay disciplined, the positive outcome becomes the greatest reward. You never know what’s possible if you don’t put the work in.

We all have setbacks; the key is getting back up, dusting yourself off, and carrying on. People told me I’d never make it in my chosen career, but I proved them wrong. I still love what I do to this day, and it gives me the flexibility to trade even while I’m at work! 😂😂

So yes, taking a controlled risk for a positive outcome is very different from reckless gambling. It’s not the same as running blindfolded across a Washington DC highway! Although, judging by some of the trading videos I’ve seen, a few people seem to approach it that way. 😂

And as for trading with the mortgage money... now that really is a stupid risk! 🙄😂
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The problem I see with the world as it stands is that if you take risks, you can get rewarded for those risks. Of course the number of people that take risks and fail is pretty high but that shouldn't stop you from taking risks. Therefore the people who do take the risks are the ones that benefit the most.

Musk took a huge gamble by investing the money he made from the first start up into PayPal then using that on Tesla, then SpaceX. Could have failed at any point. Many do!

The weird thing about this system is that some people do get disproportionately large payoffs but, personally, I feel that's worth it if it lifts everybody.

I think the SpaceX IPO has created about 4,400 millionaires. I've met some of them because when I would stay in Los Angeles, I'd stay near El Segundo, which is where SpaceX was based. I was lucky enough to be introduced to some of these people many years ago. Bloody good on them, they left good jobs and normal careers to have a punt on new tech.

I'm pretty sure the Facebook IPO did the same and yes, I know a few of those as well.

One of the problems I see is that people just don't take risks. But when people do and get rewarded, it's somehow unfair. We need to embrace, sensible, risk taking and watch the results. I'd say people in generally and nations are often too risk averse nowadays.

A friend of mind who I met through work emigrated with his family to Silicon Valley and took a massive risk. But he gets kudos there for doing it and is well rewarded. Good on him. Good on anybody that tries to make their life better.
So what about the billions of people (and it is billions) living in abject poverty ??? should they all relocate to Silicon valley ?
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On reflection, I played this IPO very poorly.

Given the restrictions of low float, non-flipping of retail within 2 weeks, private equity pricing it at an open if $158, which was phenomenally accurate, I should of bought on Robinhood and hoped for a 15-30% allocation of what I requested.

I now been shorting at $170, buying at $160, but now feel even this is wrong.

The company is priced at 110 times revenue. Very, very
few good investments come from that valuation.

After some of the lock- up periods have expired I will be a major shorter. DYOR / I am just a guesser
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tico wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2026 11:43 am

So what about the billions of people (and it is billions) living in abject poverty ??? should they all relocate to Silicon valley ?
Tico

The same capitalist society that has delivered a handful of examples of obscene wealth is the very same capitalist society that has cut extreme poverty from 69% to 9% over the last 125 years.

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Btw, those trillion $ notes are interesting.

By sheer fluke, I asked an African reporter to get me some notes - and she brought back maybe 80 mixed notes of the trillion/billion denomination. At the time, they were all worth about $1.

I gave away many as presents. Often as a tip.

The trillion $ note is the only note in the world with that
word on it.

The currently sell on eBay for about $125 each 😮
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The same capitalist society that has delivered a handful of examples of obscene wealth is the very same capitalist society that has cut extreme poverty from 69% to 9% over the last 125 years.
Where on earth did you get those figures from !! :?
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