UK General Election 2029 - Trading ONLY thread

[tico]

... Far Right AfD party win in Germany ......... illegals now landing in Portsmouth

....... UK now borrows at higher rates than Portugal, Italy, Greece and Morocco.

...... 2029 election looking good for Reform again

Hi
If I recall rightly the last time the far right got power in Germany...29 million people perished.We had to have a world war to get rid of the instigator ...we should learn from history.
Tico

[firlandsfarm]

... we should learn from history.
Tico

Yes we should but every decade or so the electorate forget and vote Labour!

[tico]

... we should learn from history.
Tico

Yes we should but every decade or so the electorate forget and vote Labour!

Know your history again,the only government that ever procured profound and significant change for ordinary people was the Attlee government (a labour government). It created the NHS and nationalised the coal and steel and railways and the utility companies.The NHS has saved millions of lives .The Tories want to privatise is,as do labour and reform It's full ahead back to the thirties .
Regards
Tico

[firlandsfarm]

... we should learn from history.
Tico

Yes we should but every decade or so the electorate forget and vote Labour!

Know your history again,the only government that ever procured profound and significant change for ordinary people was the Attlee government (a labour government). It created the NHS and nationalised the coal and steel and railways and the utility companies.The NHS has saved millions of lives .The Tories want to privatise is,as do labour and reform It's full ahead back to the thirties .
Regards
Tico

Well you are entitled to your opinion even when it is wrong! I do know my history, my history says nationalise the railways, run them down and that gives you the excuse to close half them down! Yes Labour created the NHS but it created a monster so feared that no Government has had the balls to modernise it while feeding it ever more amounts of money and I notice the usual "they want to privatise it" claims without evidence nor foundation. That's a perfect example of make a claim without fact and keep claiming it and people start to believe it. Nationalise Coal and steel and create unions that wanted to (and tried to) bring the country to it's knees while benefitting themselves (BTW, I understand Scargill came out of that £5m richer! Shame the workers never realised that he used them more than any CEO of any employer.) And that old chestnut of "[this] has saved [that]" without ever comparing with what alternatively could have happened and could have been an improvement!

Anyway, here's some history for you ... Unemployment in Labour's periods on Government post WW2:

Attlee, 1945–51 Up 0.5 points
Wilson, 1964–70 Up about 1 point
Wilson/Callaghan, 1974–79 Up 1.7 points
Blair/Brown, 1997–2010 Up 0.7 points
Current Labour government, 2024–present Up about 0.5 points so far

Those you call "ordinary people" must be grateful how much Labour Governments have suppo0rted them.

[jamesedwards]

... NHS but it created a monster so feared that no Government has had the balls to modernise it while feeding it ever more amounts of money ...

Correct!

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[jamesedwards]

... and nationalised the coal and steel and railways and the utility companies ...

I don't see how the nationalisation of any of these could be deemed a success. People have short memories of just how bad nationalised industries were. Give the newly renationalised railways a few years and people will be championing for reprivatisation.

[tico]

Yes we should but every decade or so the electorate forget and vote Labour!

Know your history again,the only government that ever procured profound and significant change for ordinary people was the Attlee government (a labour government). It created the NHS and nationalised the coal and steel and railways and the utility companies.The NHS has saved millions of lives .The Tories want to privatise is,as do labour and reform It's full ahead back to the thirties .
Regards
Tico

Well you are entitled to your opinion even when it is wrong! I do know my history, my history says nationalise the railways, run them down and that gives you the excuse to close half them down! Yes Labour created the NHS but it created a monster so feared that no Government has had the balls to modernise it while feeding it ever more amounts of money and I notice the usual "they want to privatise it" claims without evidence nor foundation. That's a perfect example of make a claim without fact and keep claiming it and people start to believe it. Nationalise Coal and steel and create unions that wanted to (and tried to) bring the country to it's knees while benefitting themselves (BTW, I understand Scargill came out of that £5m richer! Shame the workers never realised that he used them more than any CEO of any employer.) And that old chestnut of "[this] has saved [that]" without ever comparing with what alternatively could have happened and could have been an improvement!

Anyway, here's some history for you ... Unemployment in Labour's periods on Government post WW2:

Attlee, 1945–51 Up 0.5 points
Wilson, 1964–70 Up about 1 point
Wilson/Callaghan, 1974–79 Up 1.7 points
Blair/Brown, 1997–2010 Up 0.7 points
Current Labour government, 2024–present Up about 0.5 points so far

Those you call "ordinary people" must be grateful how much Labour Governments have suppo0rted them.

Know your history again.
The highest peak of UK unemployment since ww2 was in under Thatcher in1984, reaching approximately 11.8%. This figure is supported by multiple sources:
Annual Rate: The unemployment rate in 1984 was 11.8%, which was the highest level recorded during the Thatcher era.The rate remained high for several years, reaching 11.3% in 1982 and 11.2% in 1986.This period represented a significant economic depression, with unemployment hovering around the 3 million mark for much of the 1980s.
Regards Tico

[tico]

... NHS but it created a monster so feared that no Government has had the balls to modernise it while feeding it ever more amounts of money ...

Correct!


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Look at the graph again,look at the point when spending rose sharply,this is inline with the increased usage of private sector providers.Up to 30% of government spending on the NHS is to the private sector and if you broaden this out to the care industry you can add another 10-15%.But the sad thing is that increased private sector involvement was a political decision and not an empirical one.

[firlandsfarm]

Know your history again.

... and never mention the effect the unions had on those unemployment numbers ... that is why Maggie had to crush them!

The latest one today is that Labour consider it OK for them to receive £ millions from the unions (£150 m since 2010) because they don't ask Labour for anything in return!

And when Labour receive £4m donation by Quadrature Capital (a hedge fund) with immaculate timing a week before application of the tighter restrictions around donations in the build-up to a GE that's OK for them but not for others where overseas donations are questionable.

This Labour Government clearly feels it's OK for them to work to the limit of the letter of the law but not for others who are expected to follow the spirit of the law.

[jamesedwards]

Didn't take Andy Capp long to balls it up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c6x2zrv774gvt

Pissing off 13m pensioners by removing the triple lock. This sounds familiar... why not just remove their winter fuel allowance instead?


To be fair, it's not his (or Sir Keir's) fault. You can join up to the PM club with the very best of intentions, but only when you see the true picture do you realise how fucked the economy is and that someone needs to make some hard choices. Only to find yourself voted back out in favour of the next naive do-gooding numpty in the queue...

[tico]

Didn't take Andy Capp long to balls it up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c6x2zrv774gvt

Pissing off 13m pensioners by removing the triple lock. This sounds familiar... why not just remove their winter fuel allowance instead?


To be fair, it's not his (or Sir Keir's) fault. You can join up to the PM club with the very best of intentions, but only when you see the true picture do you realise how fucked the economy is and that someone needs to make some hard choices. Only to find yourself voted back out in favour of the next naive do-gooding numpty in the queue...

By what I can see he is going to use the money saved from the triple lock to subsidise care of the elderly ,but there is nothing said about taking this care out of the hands of the privateers and back into public sector.So the pensioners will lose out and effectively subsidise the profits of the existing parasites who have taken over the care industry.Sounds a plan Farage would be proud of ,screwing the poor to give to the rich.
Tico