prices r right its ares to lose.
we have had the harder fixtures,we only have to go to arsenal away, utd have chelsea,city,spurs,arsenal away.
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I'm amazed that Suarez has been found guilty based solely from the words of Evra. From what I've read there literally appears to be no other evidence.
I'm a Liverpool fan so perhaps a little biased but the reaction from LFC seems to be one of shock and anger at the charge.
I'm a Liverpool fan so perhaps a little biased but the reaction from LFC seems to be one of shock and anger at the charge.
It stinks, and I hope that Liverpool sue the FA!
Evra and Suarez got into a petty argument and said some offensive things to each other. It's a case of 'six of one, half a dozen of the other', and that should have been the end of the matter IMHO.
If a player were to call Peter Crouch a lanky bastard, I doubt the FA would even bother investigating the matter. Yet because Suarez allegedly used language prohibited by political correctness, he gets the book thrown at him!
And the fact that the police haven't arrested Suarez does kind of suggest that there's no actual evidence against him. Call me old fashioned, but I think you should have evidence against someone before you convict them...
Jeff
Evra and Suarez got into a petty argument and said some offensive things to each other. It's a case of 'six of one, half a dozen of the other', and that should have been the end of the matter IMHO.
If a player were to call Peter Crouch a lanky bastard, I doubt the FA would even bother investigating the matter. Yet because Suarez allegedly used language prohibited by political correctness, he gets the book thrown at him!
And the fact that the police haven't arrested Suarez does kind of suggest that there's no actual evidence against him. Call me old fashioned, but I think you should have evidence against someone before you convict them...
Jeff
Consty1 wrote:I'm amazed that Suarez has been found guilty based solely from the words of Evra. From what I've read there literally appears to be no other evidence.
I'm a Liverpool fan so perhaps a little biased but the reaction from LFC seems to be one of shock and anger at the charge.
From today's Mail:
Manchester United faced Liverpool in a Premier League match. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.
A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'
Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'
Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z1hA7JAKD6
If that's what happened, then they're both as guilty as each other IMHO. Evra insulted Suarez based on the part of the world he's from, and Suarez insulted Evra based on his race. People like Evra make it harder for victims of genuine racial harassment to be taken seriously.
Jeff
Manchester United faced Liverpool in a Premier League match. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.
A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'
Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'
Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z1hA7JAKD6
If that's what happened, then they're both as guilty as each other IMHO. Evra insulted Suarez based on the part of the world he's from, and Suarez insulted Evra based on his race. People like Evra make it harder for victims of genuine racial harassment to be taken seriously.
Jeff
Ah right, I hadn't realised Suarez had admitted using a term referring to Evra's skin colour.
It's interesting if he did indeed use the term 'negrito' as that's not deemed to be offensive in South America (or Spain I believe). Suarez has been in Europe long enough to know better though.
Suarez indicated that he used a term that some of Evra's team mates called him by and this actually seems to have some weight behind it. The FA need to wade through twitter accounts to find examples of the Spanish and South American players using 'negrito' in an inoffensive manner (I've already found one example of the Barca midfielder Thiago being wished luck by U21 team mate Dani Pacheco).
It's interesting if he did indeed use the term 'negrito' as that's not deemed to be offensive in South America (or Spain I believe). Suarez has been in Europe long enough to know better though.
Suarez indicated that he used a term that some of Evra's team mates called him by and this actually seems to have some weight behind it. The FA need to wade through twitter accounts to find examples of the Spanish and South American players using 'negrito' in an inoffensive manner (I've already found one example of the Barca midfielder Thiago being wished luck by U21 team mate Dani Pacheco).
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The word negrito can be used in several ways. If you are chatting to a mate then it can be used in a friendly inoffensive way but when used during a heated row with someone you are arguing with then it takes on a different meaning. It is all about context.
The thing I find most offensive is that in typical fashion Liverpool are now painting themselves and Suarez as the victims.
Additionally, the FA plainly spelt it out to both clubs that there should be no comment from either of them until after the hearing yet Liverpool have been briefing throughout this process. In fact my favourite moment was when Dalglish spoke to the press saying how good they were being in not speaking to the press!
I think the whole thing has got a bit hysterical and out of hand but that doesn't justify Liverpool's attitude and outrageous press release.
The thing I find most offensive is that in typical fashion Liverpool are now painting themselves and Suarez as the victims.
Additionally, the FA plainly spelt it out to both clubs that there should be no comment from either of them until after the hearing yet Liverpool have been briefing throughout this process. In fact my favourite moment was when Dalglish spoke to the press saying how good they were being in not speaking to the press!
I think the whole thing has got a bit hysterical and out of hand but that doesn't justify Liverpool's attitude and outrageous press release.
So it sounds like a Spanish version of the word 'mate', ie it can be a show of affection, something you say to someone in anger, or a neutral word, but the FA went for the politically correct interpretation...SilentDave wrote:The word negrito can be used in several ways. If you are chatting to a mate then it can be used in a friendly inoffensive way but when used during a heated row with someone you are arguing with then it takes on a different meaning. It is all about context.
Jeff
Suarez has been involved with European football long enough to know Evra wouldn't accept this as a term of endearment. If he said it to his own teammate, then you could make allowances for him trying to be friendly, but not to an opponent.
I suspect Evra's initial reaction showed Suarez that he wasn't impressed, hence the reason Suarez said it another 7 or 8 times, just to piss him off
I suspect Evra's initial reaction showed Suarez that he wasn't impressed, hence the reason Suarez said it another 7 or 8 times, just to piss him off
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Bang on LeTiss.
Jeff, there are two ways of using the word and there can be no doubt in which way Suarez intended this to be understood - he was trying to wind up Evra and was being offensive. That isn't a politically correct interpretation it surely has to be accepted as an obvious truth.
That isn't to say that the reaction hasn't been way over the top. Players are constantly insulting and abusing each other on the pitch particularly if a player has a suspect temperament and the opposition are looking to get a reaction and get him sent off. This is possibly being dealt with more harshly as it is a race issue and maybe political correctness does come in to it (that nad the FA want to make a point to FIFA & Blatter) but rest assured Suarez knew exactly what he was up to.
I wonder if Rooney had racially abused someone while on England duty whether the FA would appeal his punishment becuase they need him for the Euros! Same with Liverpool here probably, they know they need Suarez to have any chance of finishing fourth.
Jeff, there are two ways of using the word and there can be no doubt in which way Suarez intended this to be understood - he was trying to wind up Evra and was being offensive. That isn't a politically correct interpretation it surely has to be accepted as an obvious truth.
That isn't to say that the reaction hasn't been way over the top. Players are constantly insulting and abusing each other on the pitch particularly if a player has a suspect temperament and the opposition are looking to get a reaction and get him sent off. This is possibly being dealt with more harshly as it is a race issue and maybe political correctness does come in to it (that nad the FA want to make a point to FIFA & Blatter) but rest assured Suarez knew exactly what he was up to.
I wonder if Rooney had racially abused someone while on England duty whether the FA would appeal his punishment becuase they need him for the Euros! Same with Liverpool here probably, they know they need Suarez to have any chance of finishing fourth.
Suarez probably was being deliberately offensive, but so was Evra.
But when you have two conflicting accounts of what happened, with no other evidence, surely that shouldn't be enough for a conviction...
And political correctness does come into it - No question. Evra hasn't been punished for insulting Suarez based on his continent of origin. And if someone were to call Peter Crouch a lanky bastard, or Anderson a shortarse, I can't see them getting an 8 week ban somehow...
Jeff
But when you have two conflicting accounts of what happened, with no other evidence, surely that shouldn't be enough for a conviction...
And political correctness does come into it - No question. Evra hasn't been punished for insulting Suarez based on his continent of origin. And if someone were to call Peter Crouch a lanky bastard, or Anderson a shortarse, I can't see them getting an 8 week ban somehow...
Jeff
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I think we need to see what evidence was there before making judgements.
Apparently they are going to make everything puiblic in due course so we should all probably wait till then without pre-judging their deliberations.
Apparently they are going to make everything puiblic in due course so we should all probably wait till then without pre-judging their deliberations.
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just listening to 5-live and they're going on about who might score the 20,000th premier league goal.
it really really p1sses me off that people place any significance on 'premier league' stats as if that's when top flight football started.
meaningless cack.
rant over.
it really really p1sses me off that people place any significance on 'premier league' stats as if that's when top flight football started.
meaningless cack.
rant over.
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exactly. a sorry state of affairs.Euler wrote:It's the premier league PR machine in full effect.