Hi, i always trade at home and use my computer.
I wanted to ask what are the benefits of having a VPS subscription, i only trade football LIVE and wanted to ask if someone had found any advantages by using the VPS?
Thank you
PS: sory if this is not the correct place to post this question.
VPS server
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Mr Undercover
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Hi
One of the main advantages is you can use VPS from practically anywhere that has a good internet contection and be assured of 20-50ms response times.
So if you take a holiday to some exotic clime the kids can be playing in the pool while you sip a cocktail and trade away with relatively little discernable com lag.
Of course I'm certain no one would consider using their VPS in a restricted territory but do bear in mind if you do log in to BF via their website they be able to see/log your IP and therefore know your location.
I've found my connection to the standard VPS can sometimes freeze or slow down temporarily probably due to sharing of resources - does anyone else experience this ??? So if progressing to trading serious amounts you might want to consider a dedicated server which will probably cost circa 80 a month.
Would much appreciate knowing what other peoples experience of VPS has been ?
One of the main advantages is you can use VPS from practically anywhere that has a good internet contection and be assured of 20-50ms response times.
So if you take a holiday to some exotic clime the kids can be playing in the pool while you sip a cocktail and trade away with relatively little discernable com lag.
Of course I'm certain no one would consider using their VPS in a restricted territory but do bear in mind if you do log in to BF via their website they be able to see/log your IP and therefore know your location.
I've found my connection to the standard VPS can sometimes freeze or slow down temporarily probably due to sharing of resources - does anyone else experience this ??? So if progressing to trading serious amounts you might want to consider a dedicated server which will probably cost circa 80 a month.
Would much appreciate knowing what other peoples experience of VPS has been ?
Make sure you do a restart on your VPS occasioanlly, especially before big events. Windows can sometimes pick up some 'clutter' so a restart cleans this out and stops any freezing or sticking you may experiance. I tend to restart mine on a regular basis.Mr Undercover wrote:I've found my connection to the standard VPS can sometimes freeze or slow down temporarily probably due to sharing of resources - does anyone else experience this ???
HI Mr U,Mr Undercover wrote:Hi
Of course I'm certain no one would consider using their VPS in a restricted territory but do bear in mind if you do log in to BF via their website they be able to see/log your IP and therefore know your location.
I've found my connection to the standard VPS can sometimes freeze or slow down temporarily probably due to sharing of resources - does anyone else experience this ??? So if progressing to trading serious amounts you might want to consider a dedicated server which will probably cost circa 80 a month.
Would much appreciate knowing what other peoples experience of VPS has been ?
If your VPS is located in this country, then irrespective of where you are in the world, the IP address will always appear the same to Betfair i.e. as a UK IP. As far as I know betfair cannot detect the IP address of the system from which you are using to connect to the VPS. I've connected to mine from all over the world no problem.
By the way; I've tried a dedicated server too (trailed it for a week) and it was not as fast as a virtual server
regards
Peter
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JollyGreen
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I don't think Betfair can do anything other than close your account and would have no position in terms of law to do anything else. The biggest concern would be the legal problem you might face from the law in the restricted country and you may find Betfair more than happy to pass on your activities.Zenyatta wrote:I've always wondered what Betfair would rule if they caught someone trading from a restricted terrority using a VPS. A murky area.
Betfair could not detect the originating IP address as the VPS is behind a firewall and it would reject any tracert requests or similar probes.
If the server is in the UK and issuing instructions from the UK, from a UK account then the bet is not originating from a foriegn country. No different from phoning a mate in the UK and asking them to place a bet on your account.Zenyatta wrote:I've always wondered what Betfair would rule if they caught someone trading from a restricted terrority using a VPS. A murky area.
Betfair actively block instructions from a restricted country so they do a good job of remaining compliant with existing legislation.
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Mr Undercover
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Unfortunately I'm reasonably certain it's from where the instruction (to place a bet) originates. Certainly in the case of the States the interpretation of the Federal Wire Act is that if you (by means of the internet or wirelessly) provide instruction to a proxy in an unrestricted territory you've broken the law.
I'm 100% sure BF would shut down anyone they knew was placing bets via a VPS while state side. They won't have the technical means to identify when someone is doing this, it's a big hole in their security as is mobile internet for the rest of the industry. Most call centres will block US numbers and some other territories.
Sorry, I should have been clearer in my earlier post: If you use VPS from say France and then as a backup (in case the VPS drops) separately log into the BF website they could spot from this foreign IP address and on this basis block you temporarily or shut your account down. I doubt they've inplemented the technology to intercept accounts where the user is simultaneously logged in from two different jurisdictions but if you earn your living via this means I don't think you can be too careful.
Most sites will be Draconian in the case of America, BF is eager to demonstrate they don't for political
I'm 100% sure BF would shut down anyone they knew was placing bets via a VPS while state side. They won't have the technical means to identify when someone is doing this, it's a big hole in their security as is mobile internet for the rest of the industry. Most call centres will block US numbers and some other territories.
Sorry, I should have been clearer in my earlier post: If you use VPS from say France and then as a backup (in case the VPS drops) separately log into the BF website they could spot from this foreign IP address and on this basis block you temporarily or shut your account down. I doubt they've inplemented the technology to intercept accounts where the user is simultaneously logged in from two different jurisdictions but if you earn your living via this means I don't think you can be too careful.
Most sites will be Draconian in the case of America, BF is eager to demonstrate they don't for political
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Mr Undercover
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Hi - Yeah I agree they've done a good job and blocked all the routes where technically possible.
I think you can still log into your account from restricted zones you just can't place bets, but at that point they know where you are. So if you subsequently logged in via your VPS they could associate the two and consider a breach of T&C.
Equally if they had evidense that you were abroad... its a slender chance I appreciate (and probably seems paranoid to some) but something to be aware of. I certainly wouldn't underestimate how super sensitive they are to this issue and how likely to over react.
I think you can still log into your account from restricted zones you just can't place bets, but at that point they know where you are. So if you subsequently logged in via your VPS they could associate the two and consider a breach of T&C.
Equally if they had evidense that you were abroad... its a slender chance I appreciate (and probably seems paranoid to some) but something to be aware of. I certainly wouldn't underestimate how super sensitive they are to this issue and how likely to over react.
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Mr Undercover
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Sorry, I should be clear.
I was recently travelling in France and logged into my BF account via the hotel wireless to check something. I was then subsequently very wary about logging into my account via VPS in case they associated the two. I'm sure it would be grounds to block an account so don't want to present them with the opportunity.
I was recently travelling in France and logged into my BF account via the hotel wireless to check something. I was then subsequently very wary about logging into my account via VPS in case they associated the two. I'm sure it would be grounds to block an account so don't want to present them with the opportunity.
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Mr Undercover
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Back to the original subject line:
I'm religiously restarting my VPS account, sometime twice daily if trading the football in evening after the racing. I'm also using 'Advanced System Care 5' regularly to scrub down system and keep it tuned (and I don't use it for anythig else) but nevertheless on rare occasions and usually just for brief periods the system seems a little sticky and slow especially in-play. It may be BF slowing temporarily, sometimes it seems to take an age (500-800ms perhaps) to accept an order which can be tremendously frustrating of course.
I thought a reason for this might be shared resourcing but I'm surprised to read Peter found dedicated no better.
I'm religiously restarting my VPS account, sometime twice daily if trading the football in evening after the racing. I'm also using 'Advanced System Care 5' regularly to scrub down system and keep it tuned (and I don't use it for anythig else) but nevertheless on rare occasions and usually just for brief periods the system seems a little sticky and slow especially in-play. It may be BF slowing temporarily, sometimes it seems to take an age (500-800ms perhaps) to accept an order which can be tremendously frustrating of course.
I thought a reason for this might be shared resourcing but I'm surprised to read Peter found dedicated no better.