14:45 Meydan

[andyfuller]

So it was originally settled at SP correct?

A trader I am chatting to did exactly the same on a couple of runners. All his bets that were take sp bets have been voided and no longer exist.

Something isn't right if they are treating different people's bets that are the same differently.

[andyfuller]

Peter, means his Keep SP bets have now been changed into 'pure' BSP bets , Andy. The 'keep' SP lays always get put into the BSP pot if there's a non runner reduction factor. Some of mine are now SP bets but haven't much exposure on the race to worry about it luckily.

There is no such thing as a keep SP bet?

There is a take SP bet and a Keep bet but they are 2 totally different thing.

I know about the impact of the withdrawal on take sp bets but as any take sp bets should have been matched at sp they have now been voided as they no longer exist.

[mcfc1981]

i had i £500 lay taken at the off at 3 on fav, this has now been cancelled while all my other trades stood.

[mugsgame]

I had lots of sp bets, they have voided them all.
I have never had such a mess of a market in all my trading career.
The only saver for me is I have 2 big greens Mikhal Glinker & Makani Ginksy. But best case is £250 red. My evening out is now on hold. I have to stay in and sort out this f****** mess.
The snotty little C*** on the Betfair joke line would get knocked out if he spoke to me like that in a pub.

W*******

[spreadbetting]

There is no such thing as a keep SP bet?

There is a take SP bet and a Keep bet but they are 2 totally different thing.

I know about the impact of the withdrawal on take sp bets but as any take sp bets should have been matched at sp they have now been voided as they no longer exist.

Whatever.... my bets have been converted to BSP due to the withdrawal of Fox Hunt which is exactly what I'd expect them to do. I've yet to see betIDs completely disappear from betfair's audit trail but I'll have to take your word for it.

[chuck536]

they called me back and confirmed a bet was placed 1 second before the off and can only of been matched inplay.... but i never changed persistance to inplay.

as predicted not their fault, i hav;e no record on my statement of lapses ... thierfore IBAS is it ? anyone got a contact ?

[spreadbetting]

Go to the my account section on the website and look at the Betting History section. It should be there somewhere just play around changing the Bet status, probably be under voided or cancelled.

The race hasn't run yet so you've no idea what you're final pnl's gonna be as they'll be probably be more nr's and odds will shift from where they are now

[andyfuller]

Before the off, I mark orders as take SP if I have a position waiting to fill as a pre-cautionary measure.

Peter and Spreadbetting having thought about it I have figured out how your bets have been matched and why your bets have been converted to BSP bets. Don't take this the wrong way and I don't say it in a smug way, but how Betfair have treated your bets is correct.

I will refrain from explaining why as it will risk giving away an edge I use, hope you understand.

Whatever.... my bets have been converted to BSP due to the withdrawal of Fox Hunt which is exactly what I'd expect them to do. I've yet to see betIDs completely disappear from betfair's audit trail but I'll have to take your word for it.

Not sure what you mean about the Betfair ID's disappearing from Betfair's audit trial? I didn't say they do, did I?

[jimrobo]

just caught up with this thread. What a pain in the backside for everyone caught up in it. I mnanaged to keep my nose clean somehow but feel for everyone who now has to wait and try and tidy this mess up somehow.

[chuck536]

what should i do chaps ? at mo im red because their cockup unless barbican wins.... thing is if ibas get onto them and i hedge up now then i could be looking at a big lay to pay for should it win.

if i dont hedge and it looses and ibas dont overturn then im couple hundred down shitter becaue not my fault... need to make my mind up before the rerun

[spreadbetting]

what should i do chaps ? at mo im red because their cockup unless barbican wins.... thing is if ibas get onto them and i hedge up now then i could be looking at a big lay to pay for should it win.

if i dont hedge and it looses and ibas dont overturn then im couple hundred down shitter becaue not my fault... need to make my mind up before the rerun

I wouldn't put any faith in IBAS, chuck, Betfair have told you the persistance was never changed before the bet was matched and IBAS are likely to take their word for it.

If IBAS did rule in your favour they'd take in account the final outcome rather than treating it as one bet i.e. they'd take into account the fact you made other bets to cover yourself and compensate accordingly. You've little option other than levelling the field

[spreadbetting]

Peter and Spreadbetting having thought about it I have figured out how your bets have been matched and why your bets have been converted to BSP bets. Don't take this the wrong way and I don't say it in a smug way, but how Betfair have treated your bets is correct.

I will refrain from explaining why as it will risk giving away an edge I use, hope you understand.

How could anyone accuse you of smugness, Andy, luckily we'll all be able to sleep at night now knowing Betfair did the right thing

Wouldn't expect you to explain, probably above our heads anyway and if it involves moving the bet out of harms way to decide whether to cancel or not depending on the result it's best you don't.

Not sure what you mean about the Betfair ID's disappearing from Betfair's audit trial? I didn't say they do, did I?

"A trader I am chatting to did exactly the same on a couple of runners. All his bets that were take sp bets have been voided and no longer exist."


I guess I misinterpreted that line you made.

[Boing]

When is the race off again?

[chuck536]

7.20

[Boing]

Thank you, good luck.