Israel/Palestine conflict

[Derek27]

So God started the conflict and it was continued by three other fictitious characters from the book of Genesis.

I don't know how long ago schizophrenia was discovered as an illness but it must have been around for 1000s of years.

[Archery1969]

Might as well throw in another map in the mix, why not go all the way back then

When your God gives you first dibs on this land it sounds like a fairly decent argument to at least keep a fairly small chunk of it

And whatever extra bits of land Israel gained was won fair and square against all odds when all the Arab countries around them conspired to destroy them

I think Israel turned a small bit into a mega bit of land. They were wrong and still are. It was Palestine to begin with.

Arabs hate Jews and Hews hate Arabs. That has not changed in a thousand years. It never will.


Jews died last weekend, Arabs will die this weekend. The pattern will repeat over and over again in decades to come.

Palestine’s want their home and land back.


For one minute, imagine in the 21st century that England invaded wales, again and says move south or be killed ?


Because of the last weekend 90% of the world is on Israel’s side but I not sure they have the morale high ground one bit.

[Derek27]

Because of the last weekend 90% of the world is on Israel’s side but I not sure they have the morale high ground one bit.

When it comes to slaughtering babies, it's more a case of who's on the moral low ground!

[Archery1969]

Because of the last weekend 90% of the world is on Israel’s side but I not sure they have the morale high ground one bit.

When it comes to slaughtering babies, it's more a case of who's on the moral low ground!

Agreed but Israel is about to do the same. There are babies in intensive care who can’t be moved. If Israel destroys the hospital they will lose all legitimate credibility in the Arab world and the saga will continue.

Two wrongs and all that stuff don’t elevate one side or the other to be any higher than one or the other.

Remember, if it wasn’t for the USA money and military might then Israel would be on its own, stuck in an Arab region and basically fucked!!

[Kai]

If Israel destroys the hospital they will lose all legitimate credibility in the Arab world and the saga will continue.

Isn't that exactly why Hamas built their main base right below the hospital and why they use their own people as human shields, the more get killed the better as far they're concerned.

I suppose if all you know is oppression your whole life then all you will know is hate.

They know the only way they can change their circumstances is if they incite another jihad and another Arab-Israeli war (number 8?), but Israel doesn't lose wars even when surrounded by enemies.

In all seriousness I didn't know much about their history at first but it's nothing short of remarkable. And today they have the backing of US on top of that.

[Kai]

And since when does Hamas speak Russian : https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/ ... 9674085588

[Archery1969]

And since when does Hamas speak Russian : https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/ ... 9674085588

Last year Hamas were welcomed in Russia, Putin met there top people. That’s a fact and on record. Not saying Putin or Russia played a part in last weekends activities but it had great planning and caught everyone off guard.

Russia has everything to gain by destabilising the region as it helps deflect attention from elsewhere etc.

[greenmark]

The guy ended this video with the words, whatever comes next will be much worse!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU

This woman says it's really complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDj0ghd7xMs

This guy says it's really simple. Palestine was given away like a box of chocolates!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE8GCX1w3ys

And here's a cartoon for greenmark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19F4IHTVGc

Thanks for the cartoon. I was aware of a lot of that as I once decided to keep digging to find out the root of the conflict. I do wonder what relevance events of 3-4000 years ago matter and wonder even more that they can be used to justify mutual slaughter. It's the here and now that matters. Both have some sort of claim, but it seems 2 into 1 can't be pragmatically made to work.
Pessmistically, the fighters will carry on to their own cost and the demise of loads of people who just want to get on with life.
Ultimately the fighters will get fed up and start talking again - briliant!!!! that could have been done ages ago and bypassed all the slaughter and waste.
Rant over!

[Derek27]

Palestinians given safe passage to get out ... until 16:00 local time. That could be the distance from Central London to the outskirts, a long way for the elderly and infirm to walk. They can't all make it in vehicles.

[Derek27]

People should be worried, very worried......history often repeats itself

Muslims hate Jews as much as the Nazis did......and there are 3.8m living within the UK

I see what you mean. Watched Question Time last night. There would have been a punch-up between Muslims and Jews if Fiona Bruce didn't calm the situation down.

[Archangel]

End the slaughter. Free Palestine

[Crazyskier]

Because of the last weekend 90% of the world is on Israel’s side but I not sure they have the morale high ground one bit.

When it comes to slaughtering babies, it's more a case of who's on the moral low ground!

Agreed but Israel is about to do the same. There are babies in intensive care who can’t be moved. If Israel destroys the hospital they will lose all legitimate credibility in the Arab world and the saga will continue.

Two wrongs and all that stuff don’t elevate one side or the other to be any higher than one or the other.

Archery you are badly mistaken in my view. There is no reasonable comparison between Israel's perfectly legal and reasonable retaliation, (using War Rules as per the Geneva Convention) to free the hundreds of Israeli hostages, as opposed to the appalling beheading of babies and rape of Mothers over the dead bodies of their children that Hamas did last week!

Of course, any non-terrorist casualties on any side are always regrettable, but given that Hamas are deliberately using Palestinians as human shields, and the fact that Israel has given well over 24 hours written notice with leaflets and letter warning of the action BEFORE it happens, bearing in mind that their hostages are still being tortured and killed by the hour - what else can Israel do?

There is a gulf of difference between the two parties and their behaviour, and this muddying of the waters is what gives credence to Hamas and ISIS! Please don't do that. It's very unhelpful.

CS

[Derek27]

What a way to spend a Saturday afternoon, go to Trafalgar Square and listen to Corbyn speak.

He held a minute's silence for people who died at the hands of the Israelis and for the people who died in the desert. No mention of who/what killed them. Was it sunstroke?

[Archery1969]

When it comes to slaughtering babies, it's more a case of who's on the moral low ground!

Agreed but Israel is about to do the same. There are babies in intensive care who can’t be moved. If Israel destroys the hospital they will lose all legitimate credibility in the Arab world and the saga will continue.

Two wrongs and all that stuff don’t elevate one side or the other to be any higher than one or the other.

Archery you are badly mistaken in my view. There is no reasonable comparison between Israel's perfectly legal and reasonable retaliation, (using War Rules as per the Geneva Convention) to free the hundreds of Israeli hostages, as opposed to the appalling beheading of babies and rape of Mothers over the dead bodies of their children that Hamas did last week!

Of course, any non-terrorist casualties on any side are always regrettable, but given that Hamas are deliberately using Palestinians as human shields, and the fact that Israel has given well over 24 hours written notice with leaflets and letter warning of the action BEFORE it happens, bearing in mind that their hostages are still being tortured and killed by the hour - what else can Israel do?

There is a gulf of difference between the two parties and their behaviour, and this muddying of the waters is what gives credence to Hamas and ISIS! Please don't do that. It's very unhelpful.

CS

No reasonable comparison ?

Nobody, whatever the circumstances has the right to kill children/babies.

If you or Israel wants to go down that route then I will openly support Palestine’s, tell the police to fuck off, the courts and my country, which i once served.

[firlandsfarm]

The Western allies destroyed civilian bridges in Bagdad, which had civilian casualties. When they received intelligence of Saddam eating in a restaurant, they bombed the restaurant (shortly after he left) killing about 20 civilians. The Israelis aren't doing anything we don't do, it's just that Gaza is a small area and civilian casualties are unavoidable.

In WWII, the US had little regard for the rules of war in the Pacific after seeing how ruthless the Japanese were and we responded to Hitler's bombing of British towns by dropping white phosphorus bombs on their cities. It was controversial even then, but unfortunately, when thousands of your own civilians are massacred in cold blood the rules of war go out the window.

You could find yourself in a position where your only options are to surrender to a ruthless invader or use ruthless and illegal tactics yourself.

I understand what you are saying Derek but all these wrongs and more do not make a single right.