Mad Bomber??

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enzabella2009
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I love this james1st guy. When I try to explain that the bomber is no fool who wastes money without any concept, at times I have difficulty to explain it well because of my bad English. Thank god james1st gives the correct meaning to everything that I would love to write. Jeff also helps a lot to be honest, but often he follows the same current of Andy and company and often I disagree with most of this guys. :D :D
BTW Jeff is still my overall favorite ;-)
James1st wrote:Andy. I have no idea whether the "bomber" is a net winner or net loser in the markets, nor am I familiar with his in-running bets (I'm not in that market normally), assuming that its the same guy doing both pre and in-running bets.

However, through observation, he does have the same MO pre race and that implies that he isn't just randomly placing a single win bet and moving on to the next race. He always places his bet (not a rounded amount) at a specific time or rather at a particular conformation of odds movement; his stakes vary according to both "how much" is in the back queue and the how that money is structured (top heavy) at the succession of odds below the current price. His bet almost always takes all the money down to the next or the next+1 resistance level from where it generally only ever recovers about half the drop. I cannot tell if the subsequent lay bets belong to the same person but they always, in total, at least match the large single bet.

It does not seem a coincidence that his bet takes out all the odds down to a specific key technical level every time; whether or not he is left with a portion unmatched after the transaction. The mere fact that the odds drop suddenly causes a temporary paralysis of the market followed by a "cautious" amount of laying. There is ample time for largish lay bets to offset the huge back bet and those lay bets all appear to be at odds lower than the artificial median created as a result of the bet.

The evidence (a) the precise entry (b) careful not to go below technical support/resistance (c) stake calculated to match a specific queue conformation and size all suggest that he is a trader who does not tread softly softly but rather calculates and times his bets with precision.

I could be wrong but as a trading technique it does work.
Iron
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enzabella2009 wrote: BTW Jeff is still my overall favorite ;-)
Aw, thanks, you've just brightened up my day!!! :oops: :lol:

I'm a fan of yours too! :)

Jeff
mcfc1981
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no frustration here i love the bomber(or bertie big balls as i like to call him) long may he continue.
onemichael
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Its been interesting reading both sides of the story of the bomber. The truth is we will never know. One side seems to be that the guy really knows what his doing, the that he is just a punter.

I took the sp of all the afternoon races yesterday and asuming he backed each horse to £30,000 he would have come out £30,000 down.
andyfuller
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Does that allow for commission?
onemichael
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No Andy that is just betting winnings.
mcfc1981
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id also guess the bombers average price is alot lower then the sp
hgodden
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A year or so ago he appeared one saturday and bombed one horse in each of the first 18 races. 17 of them lost.

Surely you only have to watch what he's doing to see he's not making money.... how many times has he bombed one horse in a race on RUK, watched it lose, then seconds later you see a bomb go in on the fav on an ATR race which is already in progress?

Is the whole thing not based on the assumption that because he clearly has money he must know what he's doing?
payuppal
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Is the whole thing not based on the assumption that because he clearly has money he must know what he's doing?

Completely agree with this.

Exactly the same arguments were put forward about the Bromyard fraudster, he must know what he is doing as he is betting so much.

Turned out to be desperation, not inspiration.
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Euler
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Have I missed him or is he not around at all today?
hgodden
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I haven't seen him. Guess we'll have to actually work for our money today :lol:
mcfc1981
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peter what do u think is the bomber a headless chicken or a shrewdy :D
Melsey
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Ha Ha...

Still being overly cautious on the lay front though...!
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Euler
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mcfc1981 wrote:peter what do u think is the bomber a headless chicken or a shrewdy :D
Based on the analysis we have done, the former.
andyfuller
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James1st wrote: The evidence (a) the precise entry (b) careful not to go below technical support/resistance (c) stake calculated to match a specific queue conformation and size all suggest that he is a trader who does not tread softly softly but rather calculates and times his bets with precision.
I can't say I see precise entry points. He sometimes enters out of the money and is forced to drop his price to start getting matched, he then has to continue to drop to get his money matched more often than not.

The speed at which he gets his money matched and at what price seems to be determined by how much people are willing to lay. As the amount of money he has left in the market reduces the faster it tends to be matched as people bail positions they have built due to his entry.

If he was trying for a specific price would he not be much better off not placing just one single big bet which allows people to just jump in front of him knowing that he will drop his order to get it matched?

I really can't have the technical support/resistance stuff, he often takes the market to new lows as he drops. But he has no control over how much I for example or others will lay him and at what price, we make a judgement as to how far we can push our luck in holding off exiting our positions.

I would love to get an explanation on the staking as you seem to see it as very specific. I can get you screen grabs that show his entry if needs be so that you can expand. I always wonder why his stakes aren't rounded figures, I thought it could be because of differences in currency. It may be rounded in the currency they are playing in.

I can't say I see any logic in his stake size according to what is in the market, I have seen him enter with huge stakes when there is loads of money in the market and also when there is next to nothing, often Irish racing is a good example of this.

Would love to hear you expand more on your points and give a few examples.
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