Australian Open 2022

[jamesg46]

I've got mixed views on Djokovic.
Nobody should be forced to have the vaccine, but that's within the boundaries of one's own country.
However, to refuse to have the vaccine and then expect another country to open their borders for you, smacks of arrogance really

If he plays, it's terrible preparation.
The stress and the lack of practice must be wreaking havoc with his chances of winning.
Throw the obvious booing into the mix, and I'll be amazed if he wins the tournament

I could agree with this if the requirement for a visa was to be vaccinated with no if’s or buts. It isn’t though & as far as I’m aware he appears to have followed the rules & it looks like the judge agrees with that.

The echo chamber has it that he’s been re-arrested… not a credible article to found on that though.

[sionascaig]

only 30min to go before he's in the clear - this is exciting !

Updating this - apparently the four hours was only if he was to be kept in detention.

My understanding is the Minister can still cancel his Visa tomorrow (or an any other day) for any of the reasons available to the Minister in the Migration Act.

So, even though he is not in detention, there remains the possiblity that the Minister revokes his visa, returns him to detention and deports him.

it was the 9:47 update in this link : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-a ... a-59909477

edit: Alex Hawke was given four hours to decide whether to exercise his “personal power of cancellation” and sources told the Sydney Morning Herald that he is considering it.

The ruling was announced at about 17.15 local time (0615 GMT) which gives Hawke until 21.15 local time to act.

[Euler]

Can you imagine the political pressure? If you are seen, whatever the reason, to allow somebody in more or less based on their status. How can you enforce any restrictions?

[gazuty]

only 30min to go before he's in the clear - this is exciting !

Updating this - apparently the four hours was only if he was to be kept in detention.

My understanding is the Minister can still cancel his Visa tomorrow (or an any other day) for any of the reasons available to the Minister in the Migration Act.

So, even though he is not in detention, there remains the possiblity that the Minister revokes his visa, returns him to detention and deports him.

it was the 9:47 update in this link : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-a ... a-59909477

edit: Alex Hawke was given four hours to decide whether to exercise his “personal power of cancellation” and sources told the Sydney Morning Herald that he is considering it.

The ruling was announced at about 17.15 local time (0615 GMT) which gives Hawke until 21.15 local time to act.

Thanks very much

Full text on the BBC link is now:

"No decision will be made tonight on whether to cancel Djokovic's visa or not, the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting.

The government had four hours to decide whether to keep Djokovic in detention, but that time has now elapsed, meaning the player is free to leave.

The immigration minister could still decide to cancel his visa however and may do so tomorrow."

This reflects my understanding that the Minister's power remains live and may be exercised at any time.

[sionascaig]

"No decision will be made tonight on whether to cancel Djokovic's visa or not, the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting.

The government had four hours to decide whether to keep Djokovic in detention, but that time has now elapsed, meaning the player is free to leave.

The immigration minister could still decide to cancel his visa however and may do so tomorrow."

Looks like you are right enough Gazuty..

[gazuty]

"No decision will be made tonight on whether to cancel Djokovic's visa or not, the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting.

The government had four hours to decide whether to keep Djokovic in detention, but that time has now elapsed, meaning the player is free to leave.

The immigration minister could still decide to cancel his visa however and may do so tomorrow."

Looks like you are right enough Gazuty..

Yep, but really appreciate you referring me that link - all helpful towards getting a picture as to what is happening and trying to sift the chaff from the wheat.

[Trader Pat]

Like others have said the arrogance here is incredible; not surprising though.

The fact he knew he had Covid when he made all those unmasked public appearances I think is the most disgusting part of this.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/aus ... 4334c0567b

If you don't want to be vaxed then thats your choice, but to test positive and then go to an unmasked event where there were children and potentially give it to other people makes you a selfish prick in my book. This is the crux of the whole vaxed versus unvaxed debate for me.

Idiots fighting with police on the streets of Melbourne now. What a start to 2022!

[greenmark]

Like others have said the arrogance here is incredible; not surprising though.

The fact he knew he had Covid when he made all those unmasked public appearances I think is the most disgusting part of this.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/aus ... 4334c0567b

If you don't want to be vaxed then thats your choice, but to test positive and then go to an unmasked event where there were children and potentially give it to other people makes you a selfish prick in my book. This is the crux of the whole vaxed versus unvaxed debate for me.

Idiots fighting with police on the streets of Melbourne now. What a start to 2022!

Crikey Pat you're sounding a bit grumpy. My current view is we don't know whether Novak knew he had covid when he did his stuff in Mid-december. We have all received official stuff dated a few days before we actually receive them. That may be naive, particularly given his status and (presumably) fast-track communications.
But there's no evidence.
My interest is Morrison previously saying Victoria et al have made their decision. But with sublime politician-speak Morrison never said they had made the right decision according to federal law. So he's sitting pretty. Only judgement Morrison has to make now is whether deporting Djok is more or less politically beneficial with elections on the horizon.
I would be very interested in our Ozzie forumites expressing their view. It's an Oz thing, nobody else's business.

[Euler]

Like others have said the arrogance here is incredible; not surprising though.

The fact he knew he had Covid when he made all those unmasked public appearances I think is the most disgusting part of this.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/aus ... 4334c0567b

If you don't want to be vaxed then thats your choice, but to test positive and then go to an unmasked event where there were children and potentially give it to other people makes you a selfish prick in my book. This is the crux of the whole vaxed versus unvaxed debate for me.

I agree.

Djokovic wonders why people don't like him? If he goes on to become the outright leader for grand slam titles. He won't be remembered for that now. Plenty of ways of dealing with this, but to bulldozer the process isn't smart.

[Trader Pat]

Crikey Pat you're sounding a bit grumpy. My current view is we don't know whether Novak knew he had covid when he did his stuff in Mid-december. We have all received official stuff dated a few days before we actually receive them. That may be naive, particularly given his status and (presumably) fast-track communications.
But there's no evidence.

There is evidence. Official court documents no less.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/ ... e60bc52227

There's no ambiguity around this, so he can't really be given the benefit of the doubt anymore. He acknowledges that he knew of the positive test on the 16th then went to an awards ceremony the next day.

I would be very interested in our Ozzie forumites expressing their view. It's an Oz thing, nobody else's business.

So we should only comment on stuff happening in our own countries? That's me screwed!

Doesn't bode well for the 2024 election thread either

[Trader Pat]

I agree.

Djokovic wonders why people don't like him? If he goes on to become the outright leader for grand slam titles. He won't be remembered for that now. Plenty of ways of dealing with this, but to bulldozer the process isn't smart.

Exactly, he's damaging his legacy but doesn't seem to realise it.

[greenmark]

Crikey Pat you're sounding a bit grumpy. My current view is we don't know whether Novak knew he had covid when he did his stuff in Mid-december. We have all received official stuff dated a few days before we actually receive them. That may be naive, particularly given his status and (presumably) fast-track communications.
But there's no evidence.

There is evidence. Official court documents no less.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/ ... e60bc52227

There's no ambiguity around this, so he can't really be given the benefit of the doubt anymore. He acknowledges that he knew of the positive test on the 16th then went to an awards ceremony the next day.

I would be very interested in our Ozzie forumites expressing their view. It's an Oz thing, nobody else's business.

So we should only comment on stuff happening in our own countries? That's me screwed!

Doesn't bode well for the 2024 election thread either

Not sure that affidavit is a slam-dunk.
“On 16 December 2021, I was tested and diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID),” .
Thats pretty meaningless. When did he get his results? If it was the 16th, he's a reprehensible person. With his well-earned status, he should know a lot better. If he was told after those appearances, then there is nothing wrong.
Nontheless, this is now about Morrison makig a political call.
That's why I asked for Ozzies to voice their opinion.
If this was Wimbledon, I would support the law. Stuff vested interests.
Let's remember that folks like Djok have vast support. They have no excuse for screwing up.

[Trader Pat]

Not sure that affidavit is a slam-dunk.
“On 16 December 2021, I was tested and diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID),” .
Thats pretty meaningless. When did he get his results? If it was the 16th, he's a reprehensible person. With his well-earned status, he should know a lot better. If he was told after those appearances, then there is nothing wrong.
Nontheless, this is now about Morrison makig a political call.
That's why I asked for Ozzies to voice their opinion.
If this was Wimbledon, I would support the law. Stuff vested interests.
Let's remember that folks like Djok have vast support. They have no excuse for screwing up.

Semantics.

The headline of this post has been updated to reflect that Djokovic knew of his positive test one day before the December 17 event.

Don't think CNN would put that at the end of the article if it wasn't cast iron.

Remember these are his own words and sworn testimony. “On 16 December 2021, I was tested and diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID),”

The only other explanation is he was diagnosed on the 16th but nobody told him about it until the next day, but he doesn't say that. And When his family was asked about this after the appeal they ended the press conference.

[greenmark]

Not sure that affidavit is a slam-dunk.
“On 16 December 2021, I was tested and diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID),” .
Thats pretty meaningless. When did he get his results? If it was the 16th, he's a reprehensible person. With his well-earned status, he should know a lot better. If he was told after those appearances, then there is nothing wrong.
Nontheless, this is now about Morrison makig a political call.
That's why I asked for Ozzies to voice their opinion.
If this was Wimbledon, I would support the law. Stuff vested interests.
Let's remember that folks like Djok have vast support. They have no excuse for screwing up.

Semantics.

The headline of this post has been updated to reflect that Djokovic knew of his positive test one day before the December 17 event.

Don't think CNN would put that at the end of the article if it wasn't cast iron.

Remember these are his own words and sworn testimony. “On 16 December 2021, I was tested and diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 (COVID),”

The only other explanation is he was diagnosed on the 16th but nobody told him about it until the next day, but he doesn't say that. And When his family was asked about this after the appeal they ended the press conference.

"The only other explanation is he was diagnosed on the 16th but nobody told him about it until the next day, but he doesn't say that. And When his family was asked about this after the appeal they ended the press conference."

He doesn't have to say that. That's the 'get out'. I was tested and diagnosed...... missing bit......TOLD i was covid positive.
I accept this is semantics, but such is this environment.
For me, I'm a reluctant Novak fan. 21 titles GOAT. All that is great. But he's brittle and brilliant. What may unfold if he plays could be a wonderful cauldron.
Still got niggling doubts though. He shouldn't be there! (?)

[archiebaldy]

It's a great day for freedom of choice. Good on Djokovic hes a fantastic man. Gone way up in my estimation, unlike most of the people on here of have gone way down.