Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[ForFolksSake]

How dim and distant? Roman occupation of GB? I doubt that, many 'overseas fathers' but I don't think they brought many women with them, preferring to rape the women already here. Likewise William in 1066. I can't think of a previous 'invasion' involving lots of women.

The original poster is of course missing out on stats regarding the overseas father having children with UK mothers as well - maybe that doesn't count in whatever point he is trying to make..

Anyhow, back to the trading !

At least you seem to understand what the word 'overseas' means unlike most Labour supporters
who try to twist everything with their 'woke' ideas e.g 'gender' and saying some women have got penises

Reform UK - Make Britain Great Again

[firlandsfarm]

Come to think of it the UK was connected to the Continent by Doggerland before it all got swept away in a tsunami so maybe its moot and the UK, as an island, started at that point with whoever just happened to be alive after that event.

The original poster is of course missing out on stats regarding the overseas father having children with UK mothers as well - maybe that doesn't count in whatever point he is trying to make..

Anyhow, back to the trading !

But of course when connected to the continent there were probably no overseas mothers!

In this case the (remote) original poster was the Office for National Statistics, you can check out their claims here.

[sionascaig]

Anyhow, back to the trading !

But of course when connected to the continent there were probably no overseas mothers!

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Yes, I seem to have got myself entangled in knots... (and was hoping you wouldn't notice)

[firlandsfarm]

Anyhow, back to the trading !

But of course when connected to the continent there were probably no overseas mothers!

Yes, I seem to have got myself entangled in knots... (and was hoping you wouldn't notice)

[arbitrage16]

This result marks the return of common-sense government.

Look around you at the state of this country. Law and order is a joke, high cost of living, salaries completely stagnant. And maggots like you blame everything but the ruling party that is in power 75% of the time.

The U.K. is the worst ROI country on earth - you deserve each other lol

[firlandsfarm]

This result marks the return of common-sense government.

Look around you at the state of this country. Law and order is a joke, high cost of living, salaries completely stagnant. And maggots like you blame everything but the ruling party that is in power 75% of the time.

The U.K. is the worst ROI country on earth - you deserve each other lol

I haven't a clue what you meant to portray. I would blame the Conservatives for starting the downfall and Libour for accelerating it ... I am blaming the ruling parties. I suggest you confirm your facts before referring to 'maggots' for a wrongful accusation only makes the accuser a maggot!

[firlandsfarm]

So our Government increases the taxes on the British and grants tax reliefs to immigrants making immigrant workers 'cheaper' to employers ... they may be for the working people but not British working people!

[firlandsfarm]

The story so far ...

Labour shit on the pensioners
Labour shit on the farmers and their rural communities
And now Labour are shitting on the fishing industry and their communities

It is appalling that they should be giving fishing rights to EU countries that have fished out their waters and will now come and fish out ours. I suggest everyone watches "Ocean with David Attenborough" to see the effect of trawling on the seabed environment. We will have a desert on our doorstep thanks to Starmer and co. When there is no fish left for your grandchildren to enjoy tell them it's all down to Starmer.

Starmer has a large 'freak' majority and is behaving as a dictator. He is making decisions that were not in his manifesto and therefore were not voted for by the electorate. It seems he has already given up on 2029.

I'm waiting for someone to explain to me how Starmer and co. are supporting pensioners that were 'working people', farmers and their communities that are 'working people' and now fishermen/women that 'working people'. And don't forget how the 'working people' he claims to support are now to become 15% more expensive to employ than immigrants from India.

[arbitrage16]

You buy a house, it’s had the same owners for the past 14 years - it’s clear to everyone that they’ve let it go, made poor decisions about its upkeep, generally screwed up at every turn.

You get the keys to the house. And in that moment you blame yourself for everything that’s wrong with the house - forget what happened before, that’s irrelevant, it’s all your fault. As you try to fix it all you hear from the previous owners is how terrible you are at sorting the house out.

[ForFolksSake]

You buy a house, it’s had the same owners for the past 14 years - it’s clear to everyone that they’ve let it go, made poor decisions about its upkeep, generally screwed up at every turn.

You get the keys to the house. And in that moment you blame yourself for everything that’s wrong with the house - forget what happened before, that’s irrelevant, it’s all your fault. As you try to fix it all you hear from the previous owners is how terrible you are at sorting the house out.

And that's exactly the problem, we are all living in a rented house and it get's new owners every five years and every time Labour own it they make it worse than it was before.

What a F*ckn liberty

[firlandsfarm]

You buy a house, it’s had the same owners for the past 14 years - it’s clear to everyone that they’ve let it go, made poor decisions about its upkeep, generally screwed up at every turn.

You get the keys to the house. And in that moment you blame yourself for everything that’s wrong with the house - forget what happened before, that’s irrelevant, it’s all your fault. As you try to fix it all you hear from the previous owners is how terrible you are at sorting the house out.

Yes but but what if the problem of the last 9 of those years was caused by bullying neighbours who did all they could to prevent the house being put in order after they did all they could to fuel the problems of the first 5 years?

Anyway, good to know you see pensioners, farmers and fishermen as acceptable prime targets with 'working people' to take the ricochets while the North London Luvvies are relatively untouched!

[jamesedwards]

...And that's exactly the problem, we are all living in a rented house and it get's new owners every five years...

This is a major drawback of democracy. Nobody makes difficult decisions that benefit long term over short, because they are over-focused on the here and now, and the next election.

This is why dealing with ticking timebombs like the NHS, human overpopulation, and climate change get continuously kicked down the road.

[firlandsfarm]

...And that's exactly the problem, we are all living in a rented house and it get's new owners every five years...

This is a major drawback of democracy. Nobody makes difficult decisions that benefit long term over short, because they are over-focused on the here and now, and the next election.

This is why dealing with ticking timebombs like the NHS, human overpopulation, and climate change get continuously kicked down the road.

Amen to that James. And what causes it is the FPTP electoral system whereby a change of a few percent in voting intentions can mean massive swings in who has power and by what margin. Some form of proportional representation would (should!) mean that every vote gets a say and there wouldn't be the swings of policy as there are now.

[staker72]

Proportional representation is probably the worst type of electoral system as you end up with some form of grouping system with a pool of candidates and a percentage getting elected via some formulae or party decision over who gets in. With the current system it maintains the concept that you are voting for an individual and your MP answers to that constituency.

What potentially would be better would be a single (transferrable) vote where you put 1st, 2nd and third choices. That way whoever gets elected would have at least the support of 50% of the electorate. However I strongly suspect the government will increase the deposit by the next general election which will likely filter out the minor parties that tend to lose their deposit.

[jimibt]

Proportional representation is probably the worst type of electoral system as you end up with some form of grouping system with a pool of candidates and a percentage getting elected via some formulae or party decision over who gets in. With the current system it maintains the concept that you are voting for an individual and your MP answers to that constituency.

What potentially would be better would be a single (transferrable) vote where you put 1st, 2nd and third choices. That way whoever gets elected would have at least the support of 50% of the electorate. However I strongly suspect the government will increase the deposit by the next general election which will likely filter out the minor parties that tend to lose their deposit.

nice to see a well reasoned response in here. reads well and makes sense.