General Election 2019 (UK)

[jamesg46]

Corbyn on BBC QT came across very well.

Personally cant stand the guy & the party atm... gives off the impression that it's always the Tory party using underhand tactics.

I work for a fairly large Company that operates within the UK and around the Globe - it's now time for pay negotiations and our local Unite rep came to see us a few weeks back (hes kindly taking over the pay negotiations this year, for the first time ever) it's usually left to the reps within the company.

In his speech to unite us all, he promised he would battle as long as it takes to get us what we wanted from these negotiations.... but it came with a double barrel.

Not word for word but it went something like this - considering I'm going to go and fight up there to get what you guys want from this negotiation, I would like you all to do me a favour, as you all know, there is a General Elecrion coming up and I would like you all to vote Labour.... we need a Labour Goverment.

Now, I accept every part is up to some shady tricks, but the Left side of politics acts so clean and reasonable... it's not the truth. Just today I'm getting messages from Unite basically asking me my thoughts on the General Election, is it a crime... probably not, but they sure as hell chose a convenient time to come and represent us in our negotiations.

Maybe like Euler mentions, it's time for a centrist party to come and fill that void... maybe somewhere in the centre the country can find some common ground and we can all move on. Personally Imo, the other two main parties have had their time.

[jamesg46]

Sorry, I'm putting words in to mouths... Euler didnt say it's time for a centrist party... he said there was a void or words to that effect.

[greenmark]

Boris is being ripped to shreds on BBC1.

[Euler]

I would have still asked where does he want to locate the Gulag equivalent in the UK.

The more multi-millionaires who pay very little income tax worry about the Labour Party, the more I think they've got it spot on.

I've always been a believer in people, not state control.

[greenmark]

I would have still asked where does he want to locate the Gulag equivalent in the UK.

The more multi-millionaires who pay very little income tax worry about the Labour Party, the more I think they've got it spot on.

I've always been a believer in people, not state control.

So you wouldn't agree that Boris is being ripped to shreds on BBC1?

[Euler]

Incumbents always get torn to shreds as they have to defend a track record rather than just talk about all the wonderful stuff they will do. That's part of politics.

[greenmark]

Euler, thats nonsense. He's the lead Tory of a right-wing tory party that has overseen the use of 'austerity' as an excuse to cut everything they can.
I see people begging on a daily basis, that chimes with the Thatcherite era. I was there, I saw the change, I saw the improvement. I've seen the regression. Don't deny it.

[superfrank]

Euler, thats nonsense. He's the lead Tory of a right-wing tory party that has overseen the use of 'austerity' as an excuse to cut everything they can.
I see people begging on a daily basis, that chimes with the Thatcherite era. I was there, I saw the change, I saw the improvement. I've seen the regression. Don't deny it.

Austerity is a myth. The national debt has doubled in the last 10 years. We had some long overdue wage restraint in the public sector and a few budgets were rightly reined in, that's all. The country has still been living beyond it's means. There is hardship, yes, always has been and always will be, but real poverty has continued to decline.

[dragontrades]

Performance tonight /10
Corbyn 9
Sturgeon 6
Swinson 1
Johnson 0

[greenmark]

Euler, thats nonsense. He's the lead Tory of a right-wing tory party that has overseen the use of 'austerity' as an excuse to cut everything they can.
I see people begging on a daily basis, that chimes with the Thatcherite era. I was there, I saw the change, I saw the improvement. I've seen the regression. Don't deny it.

Austerity is a myth. The national debt has doubled in the last 10 years. We had some long overdue wage restraint in the public sector and a few budgets were rightly reined in, that's all. The country has still been living beyond it's means. There is hardship, yes, always has been and always will be, but real poverty has continued to decline.

So why are the Torys proposing recruiting the 20,000 police officers they made redundant?

[Euler]

Whoever was in power after the recession had to cut. The alternative was to let the economy completely tank and go to the IMF, which is what happened in the '70s.

Ironically the only budget that has grown each year and not been cut is the NHS. But the narrative always seems to imply budgets were cut.

I'm not offering any solutions here. Everything we now see is a ripple from 2008. I attended a lecture in the US in 2009 where pretty much all of this was predicted. It was very insightful. It always feels to me that they is a better way, but what that is I don't know.

I'd just prefer it doesn't involve indebting the nation for the next generation. At least give them a chance!

[superfrank]

So why are the Torys proposing recruiting the 20,000 police officers they made redundant?

Search me. Not needed imo. Just politicking.

Would you have preferred to see the national debt triple instead of only double?!
Living beyond our means and saddling the young and unborn with huge debt is immoral.

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” — Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 22 October 1945.

[greenmark]

Whoever was in power after the recession had to cut. The alternative was to let the economy completely tank and go to the IMF, which is what happened in the '70s.

Ironically the only budget that has grown each year and not been cut is the NHS. But the narrative always seems to imply budgets were cut.

I'm not offering any solutions here. Everything we now see is a ripple from 2008. I attended a lecture in the US in 2009 where pretty much all of this was predicted. It was very insightful. It always feels to me that they is a better way, but what that is I don't know.

I'd just prefer it doesn't involve indebting the nation for the next generation. At least give them a chance!

But it's been 10 years of cuts. Now there's an election it's spend, spend spend. It's cynical and hypocritical.
OK you're going to say 'after years of careful management, now is the time to invest'. Surely thats transparently nonsense.

[ShaunWhite]

I've always been a believer in people, not state control.

That's an idealistic view I wish I could believe in. 'People' have been making some dubious decisions latley and unfortunately human nature generally favours self interest not the greater good.

Overriding impression from tonight, if democracy is so great how come we've got this shower to choose from.

[ShaunWhite]

If the Torys can afford to spend in January then why can't they spend some now? I've been waiting 18months for an operation I need asap so don't tell me the NHS isn't on its arse yet again after 10yrs of underfunding.

Pure unadulterated blackmail.