(BLOG) Laying the Lame: Betting against the odds favorites

We've gone to the dogs.
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Dogfather
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I have completed the private testing of my strategy for horse racing.
The result:

Total bets: 27
Wins: 19
Win rate: 70.37%
Total income: 9.22 units

For those who want to examine the results in detail, I'm attaching the archive. Of course, 27 bets is a very small sample, but it allowed me to understand that my strategy works, so now I will be testing it publicly, just as I did with the dogs.
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Just so you are aware. Favourites have won much less than expected recently so lay strategy is likely to be up. You need a much bigger sample.
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Euler wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:56 pm
Just so you are aware. Favourites have won much less than expected recently so lay strategy is likely to be up. You need a much bigger sample.
Therefore, I will continue testing, I will post my forecasts on the forum, let's see what the result will be in a month..
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Here we go, let's start! The initial bank is 100 units, with each bet being 1 unit, and a Betfair commission of 2%. Here are today's vulnerable favorites:

14:20 Epsom Downs - Anniversary (2.18)
14:30 Southwell - Unassuming (1.88)

P.S. I'm also monitoring one other race, if the lay odds drop below 3, I'll add.

Added:

17:30 Curragh - Thequietman (2.66)
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Anbell
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Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:03 am
Here we go, let's start! The initial bank is 100 units, with each bet being 1 unit, and a Betfair commission of 2%. Here are today's vulnerable favorites:

14:20 Epsom Downs - Anniversary (2.18)
14:30 Southwell - Unassuming (1.88)

P.S. I'm also monitoring one other race, if the lay odds drop below 3, I'll add.
If Anniversary trades below 2.18, how will you record it in your p&l?
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Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:15 am
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:03 am
Here we go, let's start! The initial bank is 100 units, with each bet being 1 unit, and a Betfair commission of 2%. Here are today's vulnerable favorites:

14:20 Epsom Downs - Anniversary (2.18)
14:30 Southwell - Unassuming (1.88)

P.S. I'm also monitoring one other race, if the lay odds drop below 3, I'll add.
If Anniversary trades below 2.18, how will you record it in your p&l?
For the P/L report, I will use the odds that I indicate in parentheses. For example: If Anniversary loses the race, it's +0.98 units, if it wins, it's -1.18 units.
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Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:24 am
Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:15 am
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:03 am
Here we go, let's start! The initial bank is 100 units, with each bet being 1 unit, and a Betfair commission of 2%. Here are today's vulnerable favorites:

14:20 Epsom Downs - Anniversary (2.18)
14:30 Southwell - Unassuming (1.88)

P.S. I'm also monitoring one other race, if the lay odds drop below 3, I'll add.
If Anniversary trades below 2.18, how will you record it in your p&l?
For the P/L report, I will use the odds that I indicate in parentheses. For example: If Anniversary loses the race, it's +0.98 units, if it wins, it's -1.18 units.
What if it never trades below that price?
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Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:09 pm
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:24 am
Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:15 am


If Anniversary trades below 2.18, how will you record it in your p&l?
For the P/L report, I will use the odds that I indicate in parentheses. For example: If Anniversary loses the race, it's +0.98 units, if it wins, it's -1.18 units.
What if it never trades below that price?
What's the difference? I'm doing value betting, not trading
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Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:03 am
Here we go, let's start!
Godspeed 🤞

With not much going on it's good to see a running thread, that hopefully leads somewhere, it's important to switch things up, test, refine, tweak etc as one learns more

If you've got the right processes in place even a bad hypothesis based on limited data can eventually lead to a good strategy

Otherwise you might as well just Paypal your trading bank to Anbell
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Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:22 pm
Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:09 pm
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:24 am


For the P/L report, I will use the odds that I indicate in parentheses. For example: If Anniversary loses the race, it's +0.98 units, if it wins, it's -1.18 units.
What if it never trades below that price?
What's the difference? I'm doing value betting, not trading
If it doesnt trade at or below that price then you shouldnt record it as a lay bet because the transaction would never have happened.
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Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:14 pm
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:22 pm
Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:09 pm


What if it never trades below that price?
What's the difference? I'm doing value betting, not trading
If it doesnt trade at or below that price then you shouldnt record it as a lay bet because the transaction would never have happened.
You are either joking or we are misunderstanding each other :) The odds I mention in parentheses is the lay odds that I see with my own eyes (i.e., you can place a bet on it "right now").
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Dogfather wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:44 am
Anbell wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:14 pm
Dogfather wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:22 pm


What's the difference? I'm doing value betting, not trading
If it doesnt trade at or below that price then you shouldnt record it as a lay bet because the transaction would never have happened.
You are either joking or we are misunderstanding each other :) The odds I mention in parentheses is the lay odds that I see with my own eyes (i.e., you can place a bet on it "right now").
I did not realize that those odds were available on betfair and that you would have taken that price. Progress!
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Yesterday's result:

2 wins
1 loss

+1.08 Unit

Bank 101.08 units

I couldn't find any good races today, I'll continue tomorrow
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There are 2 horses for today:

15:40 Cork - Minnie Hauk (2.02)
17:05 Ayr - Trojan Sun (2.74)
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Dogfather
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Yesterday's result:

2 wins
0 loss

+1,96 Units

Bank 103.04 units

Today:
13:15 Sligo Nara (2.32)

I'm following 2 more races, if the odds drop, I'll add to this post
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