Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

https://youtu.be/zWrG6TCP1fA

Sorry Shaun but random video, you may like this one

[Archery1969]

How are they allowed to-do this during lockdown. Taking someone's temperature is not enough to makesure they are safe etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061

People will go mad, how come the government is allowing this ?

[Big Bad Barney]

In Australia the geniuses in charge pay people on unemployment more than the people picking the fruit.

I believe the farmers here rely on backpackers to pick the fruit...so I would suspect they will be leaving the fruit and veg to rot on the trees also....

Note that I am not a farmer, so this could just be hearsay... it comes from my plumber

[ShaunWhite]

I believe the farmers here rely on backpackers to pick the fruit...so I would suspect they will be leaving the fruit and veg to rot on the trees also....

Where's 'here' John? In the UK that's mainly done by migrant workers and like I said in an earlier post, farmers in my area aren't even bothering to grow certain veg this year because the shortage of labour was already in doubt because of Brexit. Fruit doesn't generally rot on trees here, if there aren't enough pickers it just falls off eventually and gets raked up and goes for pig food.

[ShaunWhite]

In Australia the geniuses in charge pay people on unemployment more than the people picking the fruit.

The govt pay people to pick fruit! Or do you mean the farmers only pay slave wages? I thought aus unemployment benefit was only iro $40 a day (about 20quid) surely pickers get more than that? Our pickers are on minimum wage, about £8.25/hr which is approx 3.5x more than universal credit which is about £14 a day.

[ShaunWhite]

If you're lucky enough to have some outside space on this sunny day, then this one would go well with your cool beer.
And the lyric could have been written yesterday.

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the lonely out there
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Richie Stevens - Salt of the earth

and you could do worse than following it with.. "and if you're out there, somewhere feeling lonely.....you're not the only one"
Third World - You're Not the Only One

[Big Bad Barney]

In Australia the geniuses in charge pay people on unemployment more than the people picking the fruit.

The govt pay people to pick fruit! Or do you mean the farmers only pay slave wages? I thought aus unemployment benefit was only iro $40 a day (about 20quid) surely pickers get more than that? Our pickers are on minimum wage, about £8.25/hr which is approx 3.5x more than universal credit which is about £14 a day.

I probably should have kept my mouth shut, because I don't really know But... I would say its a case of the farmers only pay slave wages.... (otherwise it's cheaper just to import the fruit)

This is what a 'jobseeker' currently gets...
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/in ... ou-can-get
E.g. Single, no children, gets $565.70 per fortnight...

Since the corona virus is about they get an additional $550 per fortnight on top of that...
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/in ... supplement

So approx $1100AUD per fortnight, plus there are other things like rent assistance which permit you to get a bit extra

I'm in Cairns, which is North Queensland (tropical climate), where they do lots of stuff but I think Mangos, Avacados are done in larger quantities than most others...After various expenses, to move to farms for seasonal work, I'd highly doubt there is any financial incentive to get off ones ass...I know I don't intend to go fruit picking any time soon Living here is a good part of the reason I am focused/interested in Trading...

In comparison, say...Your average 20yo+ retail worker gets probably about $20-$25AUD an hour...

Edit...I think the idea is that if the government gives extra money to the unemployed (the corona virus supplement) they are the most likely to go out and spend it straight away...boosting the economy.... but when you simultaneously lock down many of the smaller businesses...who are ya really helping... there's a lot of issues there... (my personal inclination is to not like it, but there's a lot I don't know...)

[Archery1969]

There paying £15 per hour to pick the fruit and veg.

[Derek27]

This is what a 'jobseeker' currently gets...
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/in ... ou-can-get
E.g. Single, no children, gets $565.70 per fortnight...

flipping hell, in the UK it's just £75 a week!

[ShaunWhite]

So the Aus govt has boosted unemployment benefit. Presumably that because a whole new demographic of voter needs it now and what was seen as enough for people when someone else had to survive, isn't seen as enough now that they have to. Attitudes change when mean-spirited people suddenly find they need state help themselves.

[Big Bad Barney]

This is what a 'jobseeker' currently gets...
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/in ... ou-can-get
E.g. Single, no children, gets $565.70 per fortnight...

flipping hell, in the UK it's just £75 a week!

Geez, that's a bit rough...pretty hard to live on that I would think? I got no idea of the costs of living over there (I don't dream of travel)...

[ShaunWhite]

I'm in Cairns, which is North Queensland (tropical climate)

I'm in the UK, which is close to the arctic circle (currently enjoying one of the 8 days a year you don't need your coat on).

I've gone right off you John, picking mangos FFS.

[Big Bad Barney]

So the Aus govt has boosted unemployment benefit. Presumably that because a whole new demographic of voter needs it now and what was seen as enough for people when someone else had to survive, isn't seen as enough now that they have to. Attitudes change when mean-spirited people suddenly find they need state help themselves.

Well I am not sure that it's that. I'm not privy to the discussions that go on down at head office tho...The coronavirus was unexpected. Lockdown was unexpected. It's hard on individuals who have existing commitments...so I can sort of maybe see some logic there... but my initial thoughts was that it's the economists wanting these things...

Do you mean to say it's purely a vote grabbing exercise?

[ShaunWhite]

I think most people who end up on unemployment had some sort of commitments before they found themselves in that predicament. Going from having a good job to unfortunately not having one was around before Corona. Our govt justify the pitiful assistance as 'encouraging people back to work', even if there's no job to go to.

[Archery1969]

I very much like Denmark's unemployment benefit system.

"Unemployed workers in Denmark get 90 percent of previous earnings for up to 104 weeks"