I think I have found serious bugs in BetAngel

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Actually, the horse doesnt need to be a faller, it could just be running badly and its happens to be matched at 1000.

And to be fair you're more likely to want to green up when its in your favour ?

I can show you what happened to me just now
13-10 Plumpton. I was going to green up for about £2.60 profit. The horse stumbled and I was matched at 1000. so my profit ended up being reduced to 81p

now that means a lot to small players, no?

[Dallas]

Next time it happens can you screen shot the matched bets page aswell?

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

I did this one just now.

I layed the outsider Ballyfinboy and then greened up to make a small profit prior to the off.
This was to offset my liability when I laid the favourite Boyer Call

Boyer Call was going to win so I decided to green up to save a little on the liability

But the green up also placed £2 at 1000 on Ballyfinboy which was trading at 1000 !
so my loss was £2 greater than it should have been.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

These are the matched bets

[Euler]

Minimum bets on Betfair are £2. The reason you are seeing these odd bets at 1000 is because the software is placing bets for below the minimum amount usually allowed by Betfair.

In order to do this it has to place a bet well out of the money and then adjust the bet back to a smaller amount. It then cancels these odd bets so they don't remain in the market. As it does this those 'odd' bets can get matched.

It is not our intention to attempt to get these bets matched they are just a way of achieving small bet amounts. They are most likely to appear when you are using the greening option.

If you bet or trade below minimum stake value then this is a side effect of doing this. The only way to completely avoid it is to bet or trade above minimum stakes.

Note: During in-play events each step described above is subject to the in-play delay introduced by Betfair. This can add quite a few seconds to the bet placement process on some events compared to just the single delay with bets placed at the minimum amount or above.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

If there is no money on the other side then the 1000 odds runner's bet shouldnt be included in the green up. It is not required.

So I am not talking about a bet being accidentally matched, but one that is going to be matched because there is nothing on the other side eg the runner is not in the race.

This is an error in the program code.

[Euler]

Your screen shot if after the race has finished, during the race that horse would have been at 1000.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

The screen shot timing is irrevant - the p&l position is the same at the point of the bet
- see the timings of the matched bets.

I'm not trying to be difficult here... you could alter the program code to prevent this happening but discounting the 1000 priced runners that have no money on the other side.

Heres another example 15:50 Naas

I laid Mulkear at 9 for £10.26 profit
If I then backed Zaheer and then subsequently greened the error would have occurred again

so are you saying to have the green up working correctly then I would need to stake
100 times bigger than I am now?

[Euler]

[quote="AllTheGearNoIdea"]I'm not trying to be difficult here... you could alter the program code to prevent this happening but discounting the 1000 priced runners that have no money on the other side.[quote]

Doing that would help you, but not people who are deliberately trying to trade at odds of 1000. The software can't intelligently work out what you are trying to do and we can't restrict it and stop people from using it within it's bounds.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

No one trades when there is nothing on the other side eg the horse is not in the race.
Who would back a 1000 runner?

like in my earlier example

I dutch 3 runners.
1 is pulled up and the market moves in such a way that the green up now shows a profit.

But in reality the green up actually gives me a loss.

[PeterLe]

No one trades when there is nothing on the other side eg the horse is not in the race.
Who would back a 1000 runner?

lots of horses trade at 1000/1 in play ( with nothing on the other side) and go on to win, just take a look at the chart of the day thread

edit: I just re read your post in context, I understand what you are saying now.

[Euler]

Lots of reason why people back at 1000, but as described it's a situation that occurs when you bet below minimum, so it's not a 'serious bug'. It's a characteristic of the Betfair exchange.

But I'll add a suggestion to the development list to make restricting it an option. Probably the best solution then you can choose if you want to do this. But using above minimum stakes would absolve yourself of the issue.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Today's example.

Its getting a bit annoying now.

It's a characteristic of the Betfair exchange.

I dont think thats fair comment in my mind. I think it could be very easily fixed.

On a £10 bet its costing me 20%

To avoid it I need a betting bank many times the size I have, which is not fair.

Sorry to be negative.

[spreadbetting]

It's irrelevant if the runner is trading at 1000 because they do occasionally win and people with large liabilities on them are quite happy to level out. And suggesting selections should be ignored because there's no money on the other side is also fraught with problems.

Why don't you just close trades on single selections rather than greening the field, you only seem to bet on one or two selections so greening on single selections would seem to be the obvious way to go if you want to ignore 1000 shots with liabilities on them.

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Why do I have to change the way I bet to suit the software? Green up with one click rather than several with lost money in between each one ?

Here's another example and the outsider 1000 can't win! !

My win bet Ziggys Star is in a photo.

If I greened up then I would have profited less than if I left it alone - which is what I had to do. This is costing me money.