London Terror again
ofcause religion as nothing to do with it; what a silly idea, how on earth could anyone believe religion had anything to do with it, in particular peace loving and peace promoting islam. we all know that isalm does not inspire its followers to perform acts of violence, and that all muslims are peace loving do gooding liberals, who are never involved in violence. we are so lucky the bastards are peace loving hippy liberals., imagine what they would do if they were not.
Exactly right, and this is where my anger comes in against all the do gooding Liberals, who have been brainwashed by political correctness. To say we mustn't blame Muslims because of the action of some who have been radicalised , is plain wrong. Our ancestors could have said the same about the Germans......we can't go to war with Hitler, not every German is a Nazi just because of him! If they had adopted that attitude we'd all be speaking German right now. We owe it to our future generations to stand up and challenge the role Muslims are playing in the west, otherwise in 100 years from now, our great grandchildren will be wearing Burkas, whether they like it or notto75ne wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:02 amofcause religion as nothing to do with it; what a silly idea, how on earth could anyone believe religion had anything to do with it, in particular peace loving and peace promoting islam. we all know that isalm does not inspire its followers to perform acts of violence, and that all muslims are peace loving do gooding liberals, who are never involved in violence. we are so lucky the bastards are peace loving hippy liberals., imagine what they would do if they were not.
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bennyboy351
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I don't wish to get sucked into a ratially motivated debate on the pluses or minuses of any one religion, but what I do wish to say is this:
My late father told me when I was just a child, that the two sure-fire ways to start an arguement within a group of people are to discuss either Politics or Religion - and I reckon he was right!
Sadly, Humankind is a slow learner in some areas and though we have put a man on the Moon and can cure many, many diseases that once spelled certain death for the sufferer, we STILL haven't learned how to live together - I reckon we never will.........
One can only offer one's sympathies to those affected by this 'tragedy' and hope that such a thing doesn't happen again......RIP
My late father told me when I was just a child, that the two sure-fire ways to start an arguement within a group of people are to discuss either Politics or Religion - and I reckon he was right!
Sadly, Humankind is a slow learner in some areas and though we have put a man on the Moon and can cure many, many diseases that once spelled certain death for the sufferer, we STILL haven't learned how to live together - I reckon we never will.........
One can only offer one's sympathies to those affected by this 'tragedy' and hope that such a thing doesn't happen again......RIP
alas it will happen again, and as long as there are peace loving muslims it will happen again and again and againbennyboy351 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:26 am
One can only offer one's sympathies to those affected by this 'tragedy' and hope that such a thing doesn't happen again......RIP
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marksmeets302
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But is it based on facts LeTiss? She claims that 15 to 25% of all muslims are radicals "according to all intelligence services around the world". Finding that a bit hard to believe, I tried googling it and could not find anything to support this claim except for a few articles which link back to this speech. Other people did the same though, and some interesting answers are gathered here: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/quest ... m-populati What I get out of that is that the claim can be defended because she doesn't define "radical" (you can also view a nun as a radical christian), but it looks like she just wants to convince or confuse others with some meaningless statistics.
Well, let's just assume her figures of 15 to 25% are inaccurate. Let's just ponder whether it's closer to 2% instead - there are 4.5 million Muslims in the UK, 2% of that would fill Wembley Stadium!
There is a thin dividing line between tolerance and naivety, the history books show that, and the history books also show that naivety never wins an argument
There is a thin dividing line between tolerance and naivety, the history books show that, and the history books also show that naivety never wins an argument
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Muslims are humans you know, the vast majority of them do not want to do these things and are most likely getting pissed with those that do. Calling all liberals out as do gooders simply adds fuel to the circle of burn going on, where both sets of extremes get ever more entrenched. It solves nothing and it seems pretty backwards looking, occasionally emerging from the same sorts of prejudice that promotes hate on the 'other side'. I've not just compared common or garden non liberals to 'the enemy' have I ? No, that's obviously silly! They are at opposite extremes, but merely that they are both below what I'm coining as the 'progression line'..
Sure some liberals are often living in dreamland... for now, but it is the moderately more central liberal ideal that liberals should pin themselves to, an ideal (like the thin liquidity market that evolves via those universal 'market forces' we are familiar with) that 'we' humans seem destined to arrive at eventually, after much bloodshed most likely. As I heard a guest on radio4 (good old liberal beeb) say the other day, I forget his name, we are incredibly more liberal on average than we were even 20/30 years ago. This is imo natural progression, and it won't be stopped...blame the kids.
It's not this picture some have of there being nations of namby pamby eggshell treading PCers..no, that's obviously silly, and daft ! Simply that Humans must be treated as such, 'innocent until proven guilty' and so on and so forth, and that we are all the same species.. these are standards that anyone should have a hard time not finding desirable. I know I enjoy being treated equally..
Hate never really gets solved with more hate, aside from the playground bully that runs off to mummy when you smack him back. And that's not to say we shouldn't marginalize, protect ourselves from and counter the groups of people with force of our own that want to cause harm, we certainly should. Mainly though, we should not poor petrol on ideals that are mostly sensible, just and right...they must be criticized and improved upon. Fluffly PC bunnies that can't even talk without fear of offending are deserving of criticism, they are equally, well off the curve..the curve isn't even visible. They do need to get a grip. Critical improvement is surely another central standard people need to be comfy with.
It's apparent that extremes have become more extreme, and that this is not a recipe for safety or healthy progression. I don't think there's much constructive stuff going on how to reduce the variance, not that I'm supplying ideas..
Sorry, I seem to have drifted off there a bit....(dreamland)..
Now, if you've had enough of my double negative sentences, and at the risk of contradicting my first two paragraphs (because traders feel comfortable contradicting themselves ), the particular branch of Islam that preaches hate and terror is maybe where things should be focused..? an article by Nassim Taleb - http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saud ... -violence/
Sure some liberals are often living in dreamland... for now, but it is the moderately more central liberal ideal that liberals should pin themselves to, an ideal (like the thin liquidity market that evolves via those universal 'market forces' we are familiar with) that 'we' humans seem destined to arrive at eventually, after much bloodshed most likely. As I heard a guest on radio4 (good old liberal beeb) say the other day, I forget his name, we are incredibly more liberal on average than we were even 20/30 years ago. This is imo natural progression, and it won't be stopped...blame the kids.
It's not this picture some have of there being nations of namby pamby eggshell treading PCers..no, that's obviously silly, and daft ! Simply that Humans must be treated as such, 'innocent until proven guilty' and so on and so forth, and that we are all the same species.. these are standards that anyone should have a hard time not finding desirable. I know I enjoy being treated equally..
Hate never really gets solved with more hate, aside from the playground bully that runs off to mummy when you smack him back. And that's not to say we shouldn't marginalize, protect ourselves from and counter the groups of people with force of our own that want to cause harm, we certainly should. Mainly though, we should not poor petrol on ideals that are mostly sensible, just and right...they must be criticized and improved upon. Fluffly PC bunnies that can't even talk without fear of offending are deserving of criticism, they are equally, well off the curve..the curve isn't even visible. They do need to get a grip. Critical improvement is surely another central standard people need to be comfy with.
It's apparent that extremes have become more extreme, and that this is not a recipe for safety or healthy progression. I don't think there's much constructive stuff going on how to reduce the variance, not that I'm supplying ideas..
Sorry, I seem to have drifted off there a bit....(dreamland)..
Now, if you've had enough of my double negative sentences
, and at the risk of contradicting my first two paragraphs (because traders feel comfortable contradicting themselves ), the particular branch of Islam that preaches hate and terror is maybe where things should be focused..? an article by Nassim Taleb - http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saud ... -violence/-
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I think expressing religious or political views is always going to upset others especially on a forum.
People who think terrorism and the war on terrorism is caused by any religion are flipping clueless.
ISIS, Al Queda etc were created, funded and trained by the US and it's allies. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are big sponsors of ISIS to.
It all comes down to MONEY. They use ISIS to divide and conquer the Oil-rich Middle East. The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.
Basically Saudi Arabia (US) want to pipe natural gas straight to Europe and you've only got to look at the map to see how the wars in Iraq, Syria are clearing the path. Israel is the next big part of the plan and putting pressure on and stopping Iran's influence in the region is an ongoing fight.
There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia.
America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.
The so-called “War on Terror” should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military.
The wars have cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters, BUT the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington’s military elite. More than seventy American companies and individuals have won billions of dollars in contracts for work in post war Iraq and Afghanistan over the last few years, 75 per cent of these private companies had employees or board members, who either served in, or had close ties to, the executive branch of the Republican and Democratic administrations, members of Congress, or the highest levels of the military.
Don't get me wrong things have backfired against the west but what do you expect. TERRORISM IS THE SYMPTOM NOT THE CAUSE!!! American imperialism in the middle east is the cancer.
Thanks to the Main Stream Media, people have no idea. Do you not think they could have easily wiped out ISIS if they wanted to? They/we fund the wars. It pays to.
ISIS, Al Queda etc were created, funded and trained by the US and it's allies. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are big sponsors of ISIS to.
It all comes down to MONEY. They use ISIS to divide and conquer the Oil-rich Middle East. The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.
Basically Saudi Arabia (US) want to pipe natural gas straight to Europe and you've only got to look at the map to see how the wars in Iraq, Syria are clearing the path. Israel is the next big part of the plan and putting pressure on and stopping Iran's influence in the region is an ongoing fight.
There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia.
America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.
The so-called “War on Terror” should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military.
The wars have cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters, BUT the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington’s military elite. More than seventy American companies and individuals have won billions of dollars in contracts for work in post war Iraq and Afghanistan over the last few years, 75 per cent of these private companies had employees or board members, who either served in, or had close ties to, the executive branch of the Republican and Democratic administrations, members of Congress, or the highest levels of the military.
Don't get me wrong things have backfired against the west but what do you expect. TERRORISM IS THE SYMPTOM NOT THE CAUSE!!! American imperialism in the middle east is the cancer.
Thanks to the Main Stream Media, people have no idea. Do you not think they could have easily wiped out ISIS if they wanted to? They/we fund the wars. It pays to.
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Considering these radical muslim terrorists would fill wembley stadium they sure are incompetent. If we look back at the last ten years of terror attacks in the UK that involve fatalities, including Wednesday, there have been 4, 2 of those were by right wing extremists not muslims.LeTiss wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:52 amWell, let's just assume her figures of 15 to 25% are inaccurate. Let's just ponder whether it's closer to 2% instead - there are 4.5 million Muslims in the UK, 2% of that would fill Wembley Stadium!
There is a thin dividing line between tolerance and naivety, the history books show that, and the history books also show that naivety never wins an argument
Just to be precise on my reason for posting the vid: In some groups, what the majority do is totally irrelevant. What is very relevant is what the minority do. Also, there is a drive towards being PC and it is this which is preventing us from communicating. Communication isn't about saying what the other person wants to hear.