Been looking into trading myself for about a month, I must admit I'm close to wits-end with the damn thing myself, I know it can be very very frustrating.
Everyone has to come up with something which works for them. What works for one person won't necesserily work for another.
For myself, I think I'll stay away from numerology-based trade and stick to form-based trade aka Jolly Green style. My experience seems to be the opposite of some here. Wherever I've let my trades go In-Play, the market loses, not me. But on the other hand, for pre-race price shifts, I still can't seem to pick 'em yet.
I must take my hat off to people like Peter Webb and Adam Heathcote. Certainly its very tough, and they must be very talented to do so well.
1/2 Way There - Results - For Anybody whos interested
Hi Zenyatta,
Is there anywhere on the forum where JollyGreen describes the JollyGreen form based trading?
I tried listening to Timeform Radio and taking on selections by the tipsters - and you guessed it some the won and most they lost! These people knew the horses inside out but I still lost!
As I havent a glue how to read horse racing stats this is why I am trying the technical analyst approach. If mastered it is a transferable skill that can be taken directly into the financial markets. In fact it is where my style of trading comes from.
You are completely correct what suits on person does not suit another - and it is for this reason why the markets work - if we all did the same thing the markets would stay static.
Good luck
Is there anywhere on the forum where JollyGreen describes the JollyGreen form based trading?
I tried listening to Timeform Radio and taking on selections by the tipsters - and you guessed it some the won and most they lost! These people knew the horses inside out but I still lost!
As I havent a glue how to read horse racing stats this is why I am trying the technical analyst approach. If mastered it is a transferable skill that can be taken directly into the financial markets. In fact it is where my style of trading comes from.
You are completely correct what suits on person does not suit another - and it is for this reason why the markets work - if we all did the same thing the markets would stay static.
Good luck
End of Week 3
To recap basically I set myself the challenge to try trading horses - could I return a profit in a month and discover my bad trading practices as I am a lossing trader.
A Summary of My Results Are as Follows:
0.19 04/15/10
0.80 04/16/10
1.09 04/19/10
3.77 04/20/10
4.23 04/21/10
2.36 04/23/10
2.08 04/24/10
3.55 04/26/10
4.40 04/27/10
5.42 04/30/10
11.00 05/01/10
10.99 05/03/10
11.35 05/04/10
-127.14 05/05/10
5.58 05/06/10
13.25 05/07/10
-47.08 Grand Total
I have traded 187 races: 175 are in profit, 6 were scratched and 6 were lossing trades. The number of opened and closed positions was 1742.
The lossing trades are as follows:
-0.25
-4.78
-129.72
-2.82
-1.94
-4.70
From my results I have noticed that 2/3 of the time I can get a tick or two or three - the perfect trade. The perfect trades were usually acheived 9 to 6 mins before the off.
However 1/3 of the time I am in a mess. I take losses but I try to trade myself back into profit.
This last two days if I stopped trading at 6 mins before the off I would be reporting -£10 to -£20 losses for each day.
However I try to trade all the way up to the off to try to balance the books.
If I still have not achieved that I will study the charts and I am happy to take on a trade IN PLAY. As pointed out by Nomadic this is doomed because you are trading at 1:1000 (profit:loss).
And as you can see I was caught out by this - I kept adding to a BACK trade because from the odds I thought it was a two horse race and the second favourite would put up at least a challenge so I could breakeven (BTL trade).
This did NOT happen even though the favourite did loose - it was not the second favourite who put up the challenge. In fact the market MOCKED me by stopping to match at exactly where my exit was.
However if I had followed my conviction through the next day when I went IN PLAY yet again and let my profits run I would have been reporting back a +£160 PROFIT! which would have covered the mess from the day earlier. But as usual I CUT my profits short.
So what are the lessons:
to trade you need to make perfect decisions ALL the time - from the point of entry to the point of exit even if it is taking a loss.
So I do not know where to go from here - quit because I clearly do not know anything about trading.
I still have NOT discovered how to trade properly.
To recap basically I set myself the challenge to try trading horses - could I return a profit in a month and discover my bad trading practices as I am a lossing trader.
A Summary of My Results Are as Follows:
0.19 04/15/10
0.80 04/16/10
1.09 04/19/10
3.77 04/20/10
4.23 04/21/10
2.36 04/23/10
2.08 04/24/10
3.55 04/26/10
4.40 04/27/10
5.42 04/30/10
11.00 05/01/10
10.99 05/03/10
11.35 05/04/10
-127.14 05/05/10
5.58 05/06/10
13.25 05/07/10
-47.08 Grand Total
I have traded 187 races: 175 are in profit, 6 were scratched and 6 were lossing trades. The number of opened and closed positions was 1742.
The lossing trades are as follows:
-0.25
-4.78
-129.72
-2.82
-1.94
-4.70
From my results I have noticed that 2/3 of the time I can get a tick or two or three - the perfect trade. The perfect trades were usually acheived 9 to 6 mins before the off.
However 1/3 of the time I am in a mess. I take losses but I try to trade myself back into profit.
This last two days if I stopped trading at 6 mins before the off I would be reporting -£10 to -£20 losses for each day.
However I try to trade all the way up to the off to try to balance the books.
If I still have not achieved that I will study the charts and I am happy to take on a trade IN PLAY. As pointed out by Nomadic this is doomed because you are trading at 1:1000 (profit:loss).
And as you can see I was caught out by this - I kept adding to a BACK trade because from the odds I thought it was a two horse race and the second favourite would put up at least a challenge so I could breakeven (BTL trade).
This did NOT happen even though the favourite did loose - it was not the second favourite who put up the challenge. In fact the market MOCKED me by stopping to match at exactly where my exit was.
However if I had followed my conviction through the next day when I went IN PLAY yet again and let my profits run I would have been reporting back a +£160 PROFIT! which would have covered the mess from the day earlier. But as usual I CUT my profits short.
So what are the lessons:
to trade you need to make perfect decisions ALL the time - from the point of entry to the point of exit even if it is taking a loss.
So I do not know where to go from here - quit because I clearly do not know anything about trading.
I still have NOT discovered how to trade properly.
Almost there. It is clear now after a month of trying I am going to return a loss.
As I have stated I am a loosing trader/gambler. I can NOT help you become a successful trader but I can show you a couple of common mistakes.
1) Just because you have a high percentage of successes does not mean you are going to be in profit!
I have been "trying to scalp" ie looking for a tick or two or three. Ideally a scalper will be scratching trades or taking a -1 tick at the worst. It is clear from my trading style I have not got a clue how to scalp properly.
I have a no of winners : no of lossers ratio of roughly about 9:1
However my P&L shows a loss!
I have read books in the financial world where the no of winners : no of lossers ratio is roughly 1:3 - however their P&L shows a MASSIVE profit. (For more information read up on Trend Following methods: eg the Turtles)
2) If you take a large loss beware of going Full Tilt / psycho
Trying to get your losses back again (quickly) may lead to yet even larger losses. Take a break and give yourself time to calm down if you suffer from wild mood swings and you can not control your temperment.
This happened to me - I thought I had calmed down a few days later BUT, my psycho alter ego was controlling me - this lead to point 3)
3) Do not to try to cherry pick other people's systems.
I tried to jump on the band wagon of somebody's system and hope to get a few quick wins. This does NOT work - the system they are playing is over the long term. As such their system will have winning times and losing times.
And unfortunately I joined in to take another large loss because I did not really know what I was doing! This then lead to a two day psycho gambling spree
!
I was fortunate this time to get away with it however the next time I may not be so fortunate.
As I have stated I am a loosing trader/gambler. I can NOT help you become a successful trader but I can show you a couple of common mistakes.
1) Just because you have a high percentage of successes does not mean you are going to be in profit!
I have been "trying to scalp" ie looking for a tick or two or three. Ideally a scalper will be scratching trades or taking a -1 tick at the worst. It is clear from my trading style I have not got a clue how to scalp properly.
I have a no of winners : no of lossers ratio of roughly about 9:1
However my P&L shows a loss!
I have read books in the financial world where the no of winners : no of lossers ratio is roughly 1:3 - however their P&L shows a MASSIVE profit. (For more information read up on Trend Following methods: eg the Turtles)
2) If you take a large loss beware of going Full Tilt / psycho
Trying to get your losses back again (quickly) may lead to yet even larger losses. Take a break and give yourself time to calm down if you suffer from wild mood swings and you can not control your temperment.
This happened to me - I thought I had calmed down a few days later BUT, my psycho alter ego was controlling me - this lead to point 3)
3) Do not to try to cherry pick other people's systems.
I tried to jump on the band wagon of somebody's system and hope to get a few quick wins. This does NOT work - the system they are playing is over the long term. As such their system will have winning times and losing times.
And unfortunately I joined in to take another large loss because I did not really know what I was doing! This then lead to a two day psycho gambling spree
! I was fortunate this time to get away with it however the next time I may not be so fortunate.
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mikesalter
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I still cant believe you are trying to learn with amounts of money that can result in a £15 profit or a £127 loss!!!
Hi Mug - its very variable -Mug wrote:How many trades do you get through a market?
if I achieve the tick or two - then just 1 trade.
if I have racked up a loss then I will try to trade my way out of it.
Sometimes my read on the market is correct and sometimes no matter how hard I try the losses keep mounting.
The number of opened and closed positions is now 2105. I know its not the same a trade count but its the closest that I can tell you.
I dont understand this Mike.mikesalter wrote:I still cant believe you are trying to learn with amounts of money that can result in a £15 profit or a £127 loss!!!
The £127 loss was a classic case of indiscipline - I kept adding to a drifting position - even though my inner voice was screaming DONT DO IT YOU PSYCHO FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I noticed that I am in good company as I saw one of the regulars on the forum loose £420 by doing the exact same - the members just said "Sorry to hear about your loss"
I also told you about Nick Leeson who brought down Barrings Bank - he did exactly the same.
The purpose of my thread to help newbies NOT to make the same mistake
I am not the first and I will not be last to do such a stupid thing;
if I was perfect I'd be a multi-millionaire
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mikesalter
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Exactly though, that's why I am running with £2 trades. I am now 3 days running in profit and around 10 days with a stable bank (I am part time at the moment). When I can get to 5 days trading at a consistent profit my business plan says I can go to £5 trades. When I can go 5 days with consistent profit with £5 my plan then allows me to try £10 etc. It eventually allows me to go to £100 trades and at that point I will write a new plan providing I haven't lost my bank. When I get to £100 trades I will also evaluate how much profit I can take from my bank weekly, if its less than I need to cover my household expenses I will decide if I can increase trades value to achieve sufficient profit. If I decide the risk of the increase is too high I will count the likely 6 months this will have taken as time used wisely because I can see trading does hold potential but ultimately trading wont be for me. Using this system with a Bet to Lay strategy I can only loose a maximum of £2 no matter how rash I am until I am consistently in profit.
Thanks Mike - excellent post! Agree with all that entirely!
For me I have discovered psycho problems which I need to resolve! By writing this down in the thread for the forum to see I can no longer hide from this fact.
If I can NOT change this then I am one of those people in which trading isnt for me - I do not have the DISCIPLINE to be a successful trader.
I hope my thread lets people see in hard facts what that means.
For me I have discovered psycho problems which I need to resolve! By writing this down in the thread for the forum to see I can no longer hide from this fact.
If I can NOT change this then I am one of those people in which trading isnt for me - I do not have the DISCIPLINE to be a successful trader.
I hope my thread lets people see in hard facts what that means.
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mikesalter
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Thanks, I feel the posts from people like you help to convince me to keep to a discipline, the temptation to go higher and straight to £10 is strong because you think a good day shows you know what you are doing when in fact I don't yet. You hear that only 10% make it into a career but without wisdom from people such as yourself you don't really know why and might be tempted to ignore the numbers and plough on making losses.
Well I promised myself I would be honest on this thread until the month was up. So here's the rest of the warts and all.
One week and a day after lossing heavily I am still on full tilt! I thought I had calmed down but clearly NOT.
I accept all responsible there is nobody to blame BUT myself I pull the trigger after all.
If anybody has had an addiction or even still has an addiction to something then you will know how difficult it is to give up a bad habbit.
Trying to stop being a GAMBLER is one such addiction.
Some of you will not know what I'm talking about - I am very happy for you and please do not start any bad habbits.
My groundhog came back again!
One gamble lead to two and I thought my back up plan surely couldn't loose and I would get my losses back again - what was my "couldn't fail back up plan" its a tipster's advice of course 
This lead to three very bad losses!
-£31, -£51.85 and -£50.
If you are a gambling addict you convince yourself surely you can not loose again and again and again especially when others all around you are reporting profit after profit after profit. Your LUCK is bound to change afterall.
As I said one of my aims was to determine why I am a lossing trader well the reason clearly is:
I AM a GAMBLER.
and unless I can kick the habbit I will NEVER be successful.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading and commenting
"its been emotional"
One week and a day after lossing heavily I am still on full tilt! I thought I had calmed down but clearly NOT.
I accept all responsible there is nobody to blame BUT myself I pull the trigger after all.
If anybody has had an addiction or even still has an addiction to something then you will know how difficult it is to give up a bad habbit.
Trying to stop being a GAMBLER is one such addiction.
Some of you will not know what I'm talking about - I am very happy for you and please do not start any bad habbits.
My groundhog came back again!
One gamble lead to two and I thought my back up plan surely couldn't loose and I would get my losses back again - what was my "couldn't fail back up plan" its a tipster's advice of course
This lead to three very bad losses!
-£31, -£51.85 and -£50.
If you are a gambling addict you convince yourself surely you can not loose again and again and again especially when others all around you are reporting profit after profit after profit. Your LUCK is bound to change afterall.
As I said one of my aims was to determine why I am a lossing trader well the reason clearly is:
I AM a GAMBLER.
and unless I can kick the habbit I will NEVER be successful.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading and commenting
"its been emotional"
End of Week 4 - Here's all the months worth of results. It does not really matter what happens today I have got enough data to show some of the ways of "How To Be A Loser"
-0.25 Kemp 15th Apr / 18:10 ***** 2.34 Uttox 1st May / 14:05
0.08 Kemp 15th Apr / 18:40 ***** 0.38 Uttox 1st May / 14:40
0.36 Tipp 15th Apr / 18:30 ***** 0.47 Uttox 1st May / 15:50
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 13:45 ***** 3.15 Uttox 1st May / 16:25
0.03 Ayr 16th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.87 Bev 3rd May / 14:50
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.60 Bev 3rd May / 15:20
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 15:25 ***** 0.00 Bev 3rd May / 15:50
0.10 Newb 16th Apr / 13:35 ***** 1.13 Bev 3rd May / 16:20
0.09 Newb 16th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.70 Chep 3rd May / 14:35
0.25 Newb 16th Apr / 14:40 ***** 2.22 Chep 3rd May / 15:05
0.07 Newb 16th Apr / 15:15 ***** 0.18 Kemp 3rd May / 15:00
0.03 Thirsk 16th Apr / 14:00 ***** 2.79 Warw 3rd May / 14:10
0.02 Thirsk 16th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.00 Warw 3rd May / 14:40
0.05 Thirsk 16th Apr / 15:05 ***** 0.29 Warw 3rd May / 16:10
0.04 Thirsk 16th Apr / 15:40 ***** 1.21 Wind 3rd May / 14:25
0.04 Hex 19th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.35 Bath 4th May / 15:00
0.02 Hex 19th Apr / 15:00 ***** 0.65 Bath 4th May / 16:00
0.07 Hex 19th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.49 Fake 4th May / 14:20
0.03 Hex 19th Apr / 16:00 ***** 1.00 Fake 4th May / 14:50
0.11 Hex 19th Apr / 16:30 ***** 1.15 Fake 4th May / 15:20
0.10 Kemp 19th Apr / 17:55 ***** 1.08 Fake 4th May / 15:50
0.02 Plump 19th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.92 Newc 4th May / 14:10
0.03 Plump 19th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.51 Newc 4th May / 14:40
0.20 Plump 19th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.65 Newc 4th May / 15:10
0.06 Plump 19th Apr / 15:50 ***** 3.55 Newc 4th May / 16:10
0.04 Ponte 19th Apr / 14:10 ***** -129.72 Chest 5th May / 13:45
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.48 Chest 5th May / 14:15
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 15:10 ***** -2.82 Chest 5th May / 16:00
0.10 Ponte 19th Apr / 15:40 ***** 2.56 Kelso 5th May / 14:05
0.12 Ponte 19th Apr / 16:10 ***** 0.73 Kelso 5th May / 14:35
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 16:40 ***** 0.34 Kelso 5th May / 15:40
0.06 Folk 20th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.38 Kelso 5th May / 16:20
0.18 Folk 20th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.29 Sthl 5th May / 14:25
0.21 Folk 20th Apr / 15:00 ***** 0.41 Sthl 5th May / 15:30
0.16 Folk 20th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.21 Sthl 5th May / 16:10
0.11 Folk 20th Apr / 16:05 ***** 0.36 Chest 6th May / 13:45
0.08 Folk 20th Apr / 16:35 ***** -1.94 Chest 6th May / 14:15
0.12 Kemp 20th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.21 Chest 6th May / 14:45
0.12 Kemp 20th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.73 Chest 6th May / 15:15
0.26 Kemp 20th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.27 Chest 6th May / 15:55
0.11 Kemp 20th Apr / 15:55 ***** 0.34 Chest 6th May / 16:30
0.08 Wolv 20th Apr / 14:10 ***** 0.67 Good 6th May / 13:55
1.23 Wolv 20th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.19 Good 6th May / 14:30
0.43 Wolv 20th Apr / 15:10 ***** 1.33 Good 6th May / 15:00
0.17 Wolv 20th Apr / 15:45 ***** 2.58 Good 6th May / 15:35
0.25 Wolv 20th Apr / 16:15 ***** 2.18 Good 6th May / 16:10
0.15 Wolv 20th Apr / 16:45 ***** 2.28 Good 6th May / 16:45
0.05 Punch 20th Apr / 15:40 ***** 0.32 Newt 6th May / 14:05
0.75 Catt 21st Apr / 14:00 ***** -4.70 Newt 6th May / 14:35
0.17 Catt 21st Apr / 14:35 ***** 0.76 Weth 6th May / 17:45
0.52 Catt 21st Apr / 15:45 ***** 0.32 Chest 7th May / 13:45
0.14 Catt 21st Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.68 Chest 7th May / 14:15
0.34 Epsm 21st Apr / 14:20 ***** 5.51 Chest 7th May / 17:05
0.28 Epsm 21st Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.37 Ling 7th May / 13:35
1.67 Epsm 21st Apr / 16:05 ***** 0.32 Ling 7th May / 14:05
0.08 Perth 21st Apr / 14:10 ***** 0.58 Ling 7th May / 14:35
0.14 Perth 21st Apr / 15:55 ***** 1.71 Ling 7th May / 15:05
0.14 Perth 21st Apr / 16:30 ***** 0.71 Ling 7th May / 15:45
0.18 Perth 23rd Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.70 Nott 7th May / 13:25
0.15 Perth 23rd Apr / 15:15 ***** 0.17 Nott 7th May / 13:55
0.61 Perth 23rd Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.14 Nott 7th May / 14:25
0.14 Sand 23rd Apr / 14:20 ***** 7.35 Nott 7th May / 14:55
0.00 Sand 23rd Apr / 14:55 ***** 0.20 Nott 7th May / 15:30
0.11 Sand 23rd Apr / 15:55 ***** -30.00 Hayd 8th May / 16:10
0.30 Wolv 23rd Apr / 14:30 ***** 2.00 Ling 8th May / 16:55
0.31 Wolv 23rd Apr / 15:05 ***** 2.00 Thirsk 8th May / 18:35
0.15 Wolv 23rd Apr / 16:05 ***** 2.00 Warw 8th May / 18:50
0.17 Wolv 23rd Apr / 16:35 ***** 0.00 Brig 10th May / 14:10
0.24 Punch 23rd Apr / 16:20 ***** 1.51 Brig 10th May / 14:40
0.05 Leic 24th Apr / 13:55 ***** 1.29 Brig 10th May / 15:10
0.54 Leic 24th Apr / 14:25 ***** 0.22 Brig 10th May / 15:40
0.13 Leic 24th Apr / 15:35 ***** 14.72 Brig 10th May / 16:10
0.10 Leic 24th Apr / 16:05 ***** 1.28 Brig 10th May / 16:40
2.89 Leic 24th Apr / 16:40 ***** -23.60 Redc 10th May / 14:20
0.50 MrktR 24th Apr / 13:40 ***** 0.86 Redc 10th May / 14:50
0.25 MrktR 24th Apr / 15:15 ***** 8.14 Redc 10th May / 15:20
0.25 Ripon 24th Apr / 14:15 ***** -5.62 Redc 10th May / 15:50
0.14 Ripon 24th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.10 Redc 10th May / 16:20
0.34 Ripon 24th Apr / 15:25 ***** 5.27 Redc 10th May / 16:50
0.12 Ripon 24th Apr / 16:00 ***** -4.81 Wolv 10th May / 14:30
0.40 Ripon 24th Apr / 16:35 ***** 0.22 Wolv 10th May / 15:30
0.68 Ripon 24th Apr / 17:10 ***** 2.41 Wolv 10th May / 16:30
0.08 Sand 24th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.34 Bev 11th May / 15:00
0.00 Sand 24th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.96 Bev 11th May / 15:30
-4.78 Sand 24th Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.20 Bev 11th May / 16:00
0.14 Sand 24th Apr / 16:50 ***** 1.72 Warw 11th May / 14:10
0.12 Punch 24th Apr / 15:10 ***** 0.21 Warw 11th May / 15:40
0.01 Punch 24th Apr / 15:45 ***** 0.39 Warw 11th May / 16:10
0.00 Punch 24th Apr / 16:25 ***** 0.58 Warw 11th May / 16:40
0.12 Punch 24th Apr / 17:00 ***** 3.98 Yarm 11th May / 13:50
1.00 Newc 26th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.10 Yarm 11th May / 14:50
0.41 Newc 26th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.62 Yarm 11th May / 15:20
0.37 Newc 26th Apr / 15:10 ***** 0.36 Yarm 11th May / 15:50
0.30 Newc 26th Apr / 15:40 ***** 0.23 Yarm 11th May / 16:20
0.27 Newc 26th Apr / 16:10 ***** 0.47 Yarm 11th May / 16:50
0.20 Towc 26th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.22 Extr 12th May / 14:20
0.18 Towc 26th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.00 Extr 12th May / 14:50
0.25 Towc 26th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.69 Extr 12th May / 15:20
0.00 Towc 26th Apr / 15:50 ***** 0.46 Extr 12th May / 15:55
0.07 Wolv 26th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.46 Font 12th May / 13:55
0.50 Wolv 26th Apr / 15:00 ***** 2.67 Font 12th May / 14:30
0.27 Ling 27th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.61 Font 12th May / 15:00
0.28 Ling 27th Apr / 14:30 ***** 1.01 Font 12th May / 15:35
0.52 Ling 27th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.68 Font 12th May / 16:10
0.18 Ling 27th Apr / 16:00 ***** 0.14 York 12th May / 13:40
0.74 Ling 27th Apr / 17:30 ***** 0.85 York 12th May / 14:10
0.59 Winc 27th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.81 York 12th May / 14:40
0.25 Winc 27th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.09 York 12th May / 15:10
0.23 Yarm 27th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.02 York 12th May / 15:45
0.28 Yarm 27th Apr / 14:40 ***** 2.05 York 12th May / 16:20
0.84 Yarm 27th Apr / 15:10 ***** 4.56 Folk 13th May / 18:05
0.22 Yarm 27th Apr / 15:40 ***** 3.10 Ludl 13th May / 18:30
0.74 Donc 30th Apr / 15:00 ***** 11.50 Perth 13th May / 14:20
2.10 Donc 30th Apr / 15:35 ***** 0.12 Perth 13th May / 16:00
0.45 Ling 30th Apr / 13:40 ***** 0.43 Perth 13th May / 16:35
1.07 Ling 30th Apr / 15:15 ***** 2.08 Perth 13th May / 17:05
0.27 Ling 30th Apr / 15:50 ***** 0.76 Salis 13th May / 13:55
0.79 Muss 30th Apr / 15:25 ***** -31.00 Salis 13th May / 14:30
1.11 Good 1st May / 14:50 ***** 0.94 Salis 13th May / 15:00
0.52 Good 1st May / 16:00 ***** 0.41 Salis 13th May / 15:35
0.23 Newm 1st May / 13:55 ***** 0.49 Salis 13th May / 16:10
0.58 Newm 1st May / 14:25 ***** 2.77 Salis 13th May / 16:45
0.45 Newm 1st May / 16:15 ***** 0.68 York 13th May / 13:40
0.71 Thirsk 1st May / 14:20 ***** -51.85 York 13th May / 14:10
1.06 Thirsk 1st May / 14:55 ***** -50.00 York 13th May / 14:40
0.73 York 13th May / 15:10
0.28 York 13th May / 16:20
-142.66 Grand Total
-0.25 Kemp 15th Apr / 18:10 ***** 2.34 Uttox 1st May / 14:05
0.08 Kemp 15th Apr / 18:40 ***** 0.38 Uttox 1st May / 14:40
0.36 Tipp 15th Apr / 18:30 ***** 0.47 Uttox 1st May / 15:50
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 13:45 ***** 3.15 Uttox 1st May / 16:25
0.03 Ayr 16th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.87 Bev 3rd May / 14:50
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.60 Bev 3rd May / 15:20
0.04 Ayr 16th Apr / 15:25 ***** 0.00 Bev 3rd May / 15:50
0.10 Newb 16th Apr / 13:35 ***** 1.13 Bev 3rd May / 16:20
0.09 Newb 16th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.70 Chep 3rd May / 14:35
0.25 Newb 16th Apr / 14:40 ***** 2.22 Chep 3rd May / 15:05
0.07 Newb 16th Apr / 15:15 ***** 0.18 Kemp 3rd May / 15:00
0.03 Thirsk 16th Apr / 14:00 ***** 2.79 Warw 3rd May / 14:10
0.02 Thirsk 16th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.00 Warw 3rd May / 14:40
0.05 Thirsk 16th Apr / 15:05 ***** 0.29 Warw 3rd May / 16:10
0.04 Thirsk 16th Apr / 15:40 ***** 1.21 Wind 3rd May / 14:25
0.04 Hex 19th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.35 Bath 4th May / 15:00
0.02 Hex 19th Apr / 15:00 ***** 0.65 Bath 4th May / 16:00
0.07 Hex 19th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.49 Fake 4th May / 14:20
0.03 Hex 19th Apr / 16:00 ***** 1.00 Fake 4th May / 14:50
0.11 Hex 19th Apr / 16:30 ***** 1.15 Fake 4th May / 15:20
0.10 Kemp 19th Apr / 17:55 ***** 1.08 Fake 4th May / 15:50
0.02 Plump 19th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.92 Newc 4th May / 14:10
0.03 Plump 19th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.51 Newc 4th May / 14:40
0.20 Plump 19th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.65 Newc 4th May / 15:10
0.06 Plump 19th Apr / 15:50 ***** 3.55 Newc 4th May / 16:10
0.04 Ponte 19th Apr / 14:10 ***** -129.72 Chest 5th May / 13:45
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.48 Chest 5th May / 14:15
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 15:10 ***** -2.82 Chest 5th May / 16:00
0.10 Ponte 19th Apr / 15:40 ***** 2.56 Kelso 5th May / 14:05
0.12 Ponte 19th Apr / 16:10 ***** 0.73 Kelso 5th May / 14:35
0.05 Ponte 19th Apr / 16:40 ***** 0.34 Kelso 5th May / 15:40
0.06 Folk 20th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.38 Kelso 5th May / 16:20
0.18 Folk 20th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.29 Sthl 5th May / 14:25
0.21 Folk 20th Apr / 15:00 ***** 0.41 Sthl 5th May / 15:30
0.16 Folk 20th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.21 Sthl 5th May / 16:10
0.11 Folk 20th Apr / 16:05 ***** 0.36 Chest 6th May / 13:45
0.08 Folk 20th Apr / 16:35 ***** -1.94 Chest 6th May / 14:15
0.12 Kemp 20th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.21 Chest 6th May / 14:45
0.12 Kemp 20th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.73 Chest 6th May / 15:15
0.26 Kemp 20th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.27 Chest 6th May / 15:55
0.11 Kemp 20th Apr / 15:55 ***** 0.34 Chest 6th May / 16:30
0.08 Wolv 20th Apr / 14:10 ***** 0.67 Good 6th May / 13:55
1.23 Wolv 20th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.19 Good 6th May / 14:30
0.43 Wolv 20th Apr / 15:10 ***** 1.33 Good 6th May / 15:00
0.17 Wolv 20th Apr / 15:45 ***** 2.58 Good 6th May / 15:35
0.25 Wolv 20th Apr / 16:15 ***** 2.18 Good 6th May / 16:10
0.15 Wolv 20th Apr / 16:45 ***** 2.28 Good 6th May / 16:45
0.05 Punch 20th Apr / 15:40 ***** 0.32 Newt 6th May / 14:05
0.75 Catt 21st Apr / 14:00 ***** -4.70 Newt 6th May / 14:35
0.17 Catt 21st Apr / 14:35 ***** 0.76 Weth 6th May / 17:45
0.52 Catt 21st Apr / 15:45 ***** 0.32 Chest 7th May / 13:45
0.14 Catt 21st Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.68 Chest 7th May / 14:15
0.34 Epsm 21st Apr / 14:20 ***** 5.51 Chest 7th May / 17:05
0.28 Epsm 21st Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.37 Ling 7th May / 13:35
1.67 Epsm 21st Apr / 16:05 ***** 0.32 Ling 7th May / 14:05
0.08 Perth 21st Apr / 14:10 ***** 0.58 Ling 7th May / 14:35
0.14 Perth 21st Apr / 15:55 ***** 1.71 Ling 7th May / 15:05
0.14 Perth 21st Apr / 16:30 ***** 0.71 Ling 7th May / 15:45
0.18 Perth 23rd Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.70 Nott 7th May / 13:25
0.15 Perth 23rd Apr / 15:15 ***** 0.17 Nott 7th May / 13:55
0.61 Perth 23rd Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.14 Nott 7th May / 14:25
0.14 Sand 23rd Apr / 14:20 ***** 7.35 Nott 7th May / 14:55
0.00 Sand 23rd Apr / 14:55 ***** 0.20 Nott 7th May / 15:30
0.11 Sand 23rd Apr / 15:55 ***** -30.00 Hayd 8th May / 16:10
0.30 Wolv 23rd Apr / 14:30 ***** 2.00 Ling 8th May / 16:55
0.31 Wolv 23rd Apr / 15:05 ***** 2.00 Thirsk 8th May / 18:35
0.15 Wolv 23rd Apr / 16:05 ***** 2.00 Warw 8th May / 18:50
0.17 Wolv 23rd Apr / 16:35 ***** 0.00 Brig 10th May / 14:10
0.24 Punch 23rd Apr / 16:20 ***** 1.51 Brig 10th May / 14:40
0.05 Leic 24th Apr / 13:55 ***** 1.29 Brig 10th May / 15:10
0.54 Leic 24th Apr / 14:25 ***** 0.22 Brig 10th May / 15:40
0.13 Leic 24th Apr / 15:35 ***** 14.72 Brig 10th May / 16:10
0.10 Leic 24th Apr / 16:05 ***** 1.28 Brig 10th May / 16:40
2.89 Leic 24th Apr / 16:40 ***** -23.60 Redc 10th May / 14:20
0.50 MrktR 24th Apr / 13:40 ***** 0.86 Redc 10th May / 14:50
0.25 MrktR 24th Apr / 15:15 ***** 8.14 Redc 10th May / 15:20
0.25 Ripon 24th Apr / 14:15 ***** -5.62 Redc 10th May / 15:50
0.14 Ripon 24th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.10 Redc 10th May / 16:20
0.34 Ripon 24th Apr / 15:25 ***** 5.27 Redc 10th May / 16:50
0.12 Ripon 24th Apr / 16:00 ***** -4.81 Wolv 10th May / 14:30
0.40 Ripon 24th Apr / 16:35 ***** 0.22 Wolv 10th May / 15:30
0.68 Ripon 24th Apr / 17:10 ***** 2.41 Wolv 10th May / 16:30
0.08 Sand 24th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.34 Bev 11th May / 15:00
0.00 Sand 24th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.96 Bev 11th May / 15:30
-4.78 Sand 24th Apr / 16:15 ***** 0.20 Bev 11th May / 16:00
0.14 Sand 24th Apr / 16:50 ***** 1.72 Warw 11th May / 14:10
0.12 Punch 24th Apr / 15:10 ***** 0.21 Warw 11th May / 15:40
0.01 Punch 24th Apr / 15:45 ***** 0.39 Warw 11th May / 16:10
0.00 Punch 24th Apr / 16:25 ***** 0.58 Warw 11th May / 16:40
0.12 Punch 24th Apr / 17:00 ***** 3.98 Yarm 11th May / 13:50
1.00 Newc 26th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.10 Yarm 11th May / 14:50
0.41 Newc 26th Apr / 14:40 ***** 0.62 Yarm 11th May / 15:20
0.37 Newc 26th Apr / 15:10 ***** 0.36 Yarm 11th May / 15:50
0.30 Newc 26th Apr / 15:40 ***** 0.23 Yarm 11th May / 16:20
0.27 Newc 26th Apr / 16:10 ***** 0.47 Yarm 11th May / 16:50
0.20 Towc 26th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.22 Extr 12th May / 14:20
0.18 Towc 26th Apr / 14:50 ***** 0.00 Extr 12th May / 14:50
0.25 Towc 26th Apr / 15:20 ***** 0.69 Extr 12th May / 15:20
0.00 Towc 26th Apr / 15:50 ***** 0.46 Extr 12th May / 15:55
0.07 Wolv 26th Apr / 14:30 ***** 0.46 Font 12th May / 13:55
0.50 Wolv 26th Apr / 15:00 ***** 2.67 Font 12th May / 14:30
0.27 Ling 27th Apr / 14:00 ***** 0.61 Font 12th May / 15:00
0.28 Ling 27th Apr / 14:30 ***** 1.01 Font 12th May / 15:35
0.52 Ling 27th Apr / 15:30 ***** 0.68 Font 12th May / 16:10
0.18 Ling 27th Apr / 16:00 ***** 0.14 York 12th May / 13:40
0.74 Ling 27th Apr / 17:30 ***** 0.85 York 12th May / 14:10
0.59 Winc 27th Apr / 14:20 ***** 0.81 York 12th May / 14:40
0.25 Winc 27th Apr / 14:50 ***** 1.09 York 12th May / 15:10
0.23 Yarm 27th Apr / 14:10 ***** 1.02 York 12th May / 15:45
0.28 Yarm 27th Apr / 14:40 ***** 2.05 York 12th May / 16:20
0.84 Yarm 27th Apr / 15:10 ***** 4.56 Folk 13th May / 18:05
0.22 Yarm 27th Apr / 15:40 ***** 3.10 Ludl 13th May / 18:30
0.74 Donc 30th Apr / 15:00 ***** 11.50 Perth 13th May / 14:20
2.10 Donc 30th Apr / 15:35 ***** 0.12 Perth 13th May / 16:00
0.45 Ling 30th Apr / 13:40 ***** 0.43 Perth 13th May / 16:35
1.07 Ling 30th Apr / 15:15 ***** 2.08 Perth 13th May / 17:05
0.27 Ling 30th Apr / 15:50 ***** 0.76 Salis 13th May / 13:55
0.79 Muss 30th Apr / 15:25 ***** -31.00 Salis 13th May / 14:30
1.11 Good 1st May / 14:50 ***** 0.94 Salis 13th May / 15:00
0.52 Good 1st May / 16:00 ***** 0.41 Salis 13th May / 15:35
0.23 Newm 1st May / 13:55 ***** 0.49 Salis 13th May / 16:10
0.58 Newm 1st May / 14:25 ***** 2.77 Salis 13th May / 16:45
0.45 Newm 1st May / 16:15 ***** 0.68 York 13th May / 13:40
0.71 Thirsk 1st May / 14:20 ***** -51.85 York 13th May / 14:10
1.06 Thirsk 1st May / 14:55 ***** -50.00 York 13th May / 14:40
0.73 York 13th May / 15:10
0.28 York 13th May / 16:20
-142.66 Grand Total
The summary is as follows:
No of races in profit = 230
No of races scratched = 8
No of races in loss = 13
% of races in profit = 92%
% of races in loss = 5%
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Total number of opened and closed positions: 2,248
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Sum of races in profit = £198.43
Sum of races in loss = -£341.09
P&L Total = -£142.66
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Starting Bank £96
Added a further £100 in attempting to chase the money
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Note I compiled the figures from Betfair History and I think I am right in saying this does NOT include Betfair commission.
No of races in profit = 230
No of races scratched = 8
No of races in loss = 13
% of races in profit = 92%
% of races in loss = 5%
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Total number of opened and closed positions: 2,248
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Sum of races in profit = £198.43
Sum of races in loss = -£341.09
P&L Total = -£142.66
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Starting Bank £96
Added a further £100 in attempting to chase the money
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Note I compiled the figures from Betfair History and I think I am right in saying this does NOT include Betfair commission.
Last edited by ba1000 on Fri May 14, 2010 11:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
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BA Are all of the losses in races that you have allowed to go in Play?