Lay horses that trip or fall, i need help please

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ANGELS15
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I had to check the date of this post as it's April. I can't see how a bot to lay fallers can beat those traders at the track watching live who are already several seconds ahead.
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ANGELS15 wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:13 am
I had to check the date of this post as it's April. I can't see how a bot to lay fallers can beat those traders at the track watching live who are already several seconds ahead.
Not with TPD

But I'll be honest, I don't see an edge here.
fatboyeno
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Ok well its like this,

In real life at the track if the jockey falls off, im laying him at any odds that are available, even over 100 as hes not going to win, so ita free money.

Anyway the "stratergy works, i have only lost 2x in all the races iv been to, and that way my fault clicking wrong horse.

With tpd at 200ms im hoping to make the bot to take advantage of the horae rapid decrease in speed.

Laying at tracks works so well if you quit your job, and traveled to courses you can full time comfortably.

Wish i was 20 again and could risk it
fatboyeno
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I see the edge, and its help with the bot i need, not the stratergy.

Ill happily come back in a year and let you guys know if im broke or not.

Btw i and still going live to tracks when i can, this is to fill in the gaps
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ANGELS15 wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:13 am
I had to check the date of this post as it's April. I can't see how a bot to lay fallers can beat those traders at the track watching live who are already several seconds ahead.
They're not several seconds ahead of TPD though. But TPD strategies need to be smarter than this, you're not going to win doing anything that relies on being fastest using off the shelf software. And James has mentioned several times that transponder accuracy isn't good enough to play around at 1000 or 1.01 anyway. I had to check the date too when responding in 200ms was mentioned, that's about 199ms too slow these days.

... I've just seen Peter's post and obviously agree, trackside has a small edge but I can't see any edge in this way of doing it.
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:29 pm
Use the 'Lay the horse that has fallen' rule, just select stake and price on the parameter tab. That's it!
I think I will also start to use that 'Lay the horse that has fallen' rule - sounds good to me!

In fact why doesn't Peter get it built into the next code so that we all always win with minimal effort?
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fatboyeno wrote:
Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:07 pm
wish i had the free time to sit and learn daily but i dont, and when i do i suck, and lose in play on my pc :lol:
...the time you take to sit and learn is an investment into your future winnings - if you take shortcuts you won't win, at least not much.

if you don't want to give up your day job and don't want to invest the time 'sitting and learning', and don't want to develop a failsafe automation bot, what makes you think you deserve to win more than the next person who is investing their time?
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fatboyeno wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:08 am
Ok well its like this,

In real life at the track if the jockey falls off, im laying him at any odds that are available, even over 100 as hes not going to win, so ita free money.

Anyway the "stratergy works, i have only lost 2x in all the races iv been to, and that way my fault clicking wrong horse.

With tpd at 200ms im hoping to make the bot to take advantage of the horae rapid decrease in speed.

Laying at tracks works so well if you quit your job, and traveled to courses you can full time comfortably.

Wish i was 20 again and could risk it
Human error persists in everyone. If you have a split-second to make a decision you will occasionally get it wrong.

You still haven't answered my second question and I think you only inadvertently answered my first. If you're laying at over 100, how many times in a 1000 do you think you'll get it wrong? Have you even considered whether the profits will be greater than the losses or are you assuming you'll stop doing what all other humans do and not make any mistakes?

Looking for a simple risk-free way to profit from the exchange like backing winners at 1.01, laying losers at 1000, laying the field at 1.01, etc. is quite a lazy attitude to trading. We'd all be doing it if it made a worthwhile profit.
fatboyeno
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I've just seen Peter's post and obviously agree, trackside has a small edge but I can't see any edge in this way of doing it.

If everyone took this approach and just quit because someone else said it wont work, well then thats abit sad dont you think
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Tuco wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:08 pm
fatboyeno wrote:
Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:07 pm
wish i had the free time to sit and learn daily but i dont, and when i do i suck, and lose in play on my pc :lol:
...the time you take to sit and learn is an investment into your future winnings - if you take shortcuts you won't win, at least not much.

if you don't want to give up your day job and don't want to invest the time 'sitting and learning', and don't want to develop a failsafe automation bot, what makes you think you deserve to win more than the next person who is investing their time?
Iv paid for betangel and tpd just like you and try when i can, whats wrong with that?

All im doing is asking for help with a bot idea, not all of you to get moaning at me.

Sure if you cant help thats cool, but its worth a ask to fast track my learning.

As for not making money my account is well into the posative, mainly from courtside.
Can you say the same?

Take care
fatboyeno
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Derek

You still haven't answered my second question and I think you only inadvertently answered my first. If you're laying at over 100, how many times in a 1000 do you think you'll get it wrong? Have you even considered whether the profits will be greater than the losses or are you assuming you'll stop doing what all other humans do and not make any mistakes?

My mistake came from to much info and buttons to small on screen on laptop, and mouse to sslow.

Switching to touch screen tablet with much less coloums works fine.

Yes i might lay the wrong horse at the track in the future, but i can red out asap for small loss.

Iv spoken to tpd and been recomended a different software, ill give their forum a try
fatboyeno
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Looking for a simple risk-free way to profit from the exchange like backing winners at 1.01, laying losers at 1000, laying the field at 1.01, etc. is quite a lazy attitude to trading. We'd all be doing it if it made a worthwhile profit.""

Tell that to everyone who backs every race at 1.01, thousands cue there and u can never beat the cue, so ita betfair using that tactic making money, so they are lazy aswell i guess.

Horses are fun money profit i make from my own business i run, where im not lazy at all 😜 anyway enjoy
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fatboyeno wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:03 pm
Derek

You still haven't answered my second question and I think you only inadvertently answered my first. If you're laying at over 100, how many times in a 1000 do you think you'll get it wrong? Have you even considered whether the profits will be greater than the losses or are you assuming you'll stop doing what all other humans do and not make any mistakes?

My mistake came from to much info and buttons to small on screen on laptop, and mouse to sslow.

Switching to touch screen tablet with much less coloums works fine.

Yes i might lay the wrong horse at the track in the future, but i can red out asap for small loss.

Iv spoken to tpd and been recomended a different software, ill give their forum a try
You still won't answer me and you wonder why you're not getting any help!

So, you lay a horse at 100 for £10 giving a near £1000 liability. It's the wrong horse. It's now trading at 10. No matter, you red out by backing it for £100 making a £90 loss and wiping out your last 9 lays. How many days does it take to catch up? A lot of hard work just to make £10!
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fatboyeno wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:58 pm
As for not making money my account is well into the posative, mainly from courtside.
Can you say the same?

Take care
I'm pretty sure most people who replied to you on this thread can say the same.
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fatboyeno wrote:
Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:58 pm
Sure if you cant help thats cool, but its worth a ask to fast track my learning.
You'll never learn anything if you don't engage and ignore questions!
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