Since when?, and is this just you or all the Cindipotenzabella2009 wrote:Thanks for your advices. All your points have been considered long way ago. I would like to clarify that it`s all done within the law. Each one of us act individually, we just share informations.
Darts:£x,xxx | Greyhound Racing: £x,xxx.x | Horse Racing: £114,044.08 | Soccer:£x,xxx,xxx.xx Total P&L: £x,xxx,xxx.xx
15.40 Sthl and 15.50 folk ... were they FIXED?
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enzabella2009
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just me...
just me...
I'm not sure you can see evidence of insider knowledge from looking at market activity.
If someone places a massive bet, how do you know it's not a trader or an eccentric like the Mad Bomber?
Jeff
If someone places a massive bet, how do you know it's not a trader or an eccentric like the Mad Bomber?
Jeff
enzabella2009 wrote:keep an Eye on LINGFIELD. I have just made £600 by laying on SAILING NORTH. Is it some1 fixing those races? or inside informations?
Wow! 
If you don't mind me asking, do those figures relate to gambling or to trading, or both?
Jeff
If you don't mind me asking, do those figures relate to gambling or to trading, or both?
Jeff
enzabella2009 wrote:Thanks for your advices. All your points have been considered long way ago. I would like to clarify that it`s all done within the law. Each one of us act individually, we just share informations.
Darts:£x,xxx | Greyhound Racing: £x,xxx.x | Horse Racing: £114,044.08 | Soccer:£x,xxx,xxx.xx Total P&L: £x,xxx,xxx.xx
Hi Freddy
I've been experimenting with backing drifters on the grounds that markets, whether financial or sporting, tend to over-react to news.
So often, a favourite will drift and drift before the off, like it's broken its leg, only for it to romp home easily!
Jeff
I've been experimenting with backing drifters on the grounds that markets, whether financial or sporting, tend to over-react to news.
So often, a favourite will drift and drift before the off, like it's broken its leg, only for it to romp home easily!
Jeff
freddy wrote: It's crazy imo to think it's some kind of indication to lay because the race is fixed,
there are many many reasons for a horse to drift late in the day, such as the Horse playing up going to post or loading, traders exiting there positions after a horse is heavily backed
and of cause the bookies laying off,
to name just a few,
Wow! I was happy with my P&L until I saw that!enzabella2009 wrote:Thanks for your advices. All your points have been considered long way ago. I would like to clarify that it`s all done within the law. Each one of us act individually, we just share informations.
Darts:£x,xxx | Greyhound Racing: £x,xxx.x | Horse Racing: £114,044.08 | Soccer:£x,xxx,xxx.xx Total P&L: £x,xxx,xxx.xx
Surely the total P&L cant be 7 figures?? In 3 months?
Even £114K is amazing!
Who would have thought laying drifting favorites would been the source of such riches 
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a confusing thread imo , i mean considering the original question you asked, it seemed like it was something you had not seen before and you were asking for opinions as to whether we thought it was fixed or not ,
but obviously to make 114,000 in 3 months you know the markets much better than most do and would have actually seen this happen many many times before today.
As others have said how many times do you see a favorite drift like a barge only to see it go on to win by a mile.
So unless you can identify money placed by a few individuals on a fixed race then i fail to see how this could ever work.
.a confusing thread imo , i mean considering the original question you asked, it seemed like it was something you had not seen before and you were asking for opinions as to whether we thought it was fixed or not
, but obviously to make 114,000 in 3 months you know the markets much better than most do and would have actually seen this happen many many times before today.
As others have said how many times do you see a favorite drift like a barge only to see it go on to win by a mile.
So unless you can identify money placed by a few individuals on a fixed race then i fail to see how this could ever work.
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Any chance of a video showing you loading up this PnL or at least a screen grab as call me a cynic but I could produce an ever better PnL and one that doesn't miss decimals like your above one:enzabella2009 wrote:Thanks for your advices. All your points have been considered long way ago. I would like to clarify that it`s all done within the law. Each one of us act individually, we just share informations.
Darts:£x,xxx | Greyhound Racing: £x,xxx.x | Horse Racing: £114,044.08 | Soccer:£x,xxx,xxx.xx Total P&L: £x,xxx,xxx.xx
Darts:£x,xxx,xxx.xx | Greyhound Racing: £x,xxx,xxx.xx | Horse Racing: £9,114,044.08 | Soccer:£xxx,xxx,xxx.xx Total P&L: £xxx,xxx,xxx.xx
Happy to be proved wrong but given your comments I would be amazed that you are making considerably more than Peter Webb as unless he has suddenly stepped up his trading I don't think even Peter could hope to make over a million pounds in the last 3 months
Peter Webb wrote:Webb won't say how much profit he makes on his Betfair trading, but stresses that each trade is only netting tenths of a per cent profit, and the line between making money and losing it is very fine. But he himself suggests £40,000 a month wouldn't be unreasonable for some top Betfair traders. Another reason to be cagey around money is that gambling profits aren't taxable in the UK – but profits from trading activity can be.
In support of enzabella, I'll say this
A good friend of mine has struggled to grasp the trading concept. We are both football mad, so we set each other a football challenge during December.
We both had £1000 to play with, I traded and Andy simply laid selections he didn't fancy
At the end of the month, my £1000 was now £2066.
Andy's £1000 was now £2534
Finding a loser is much easier than finding a winner, so I'm sure there are people on Betfair who are making a living just laying and not trading
A good friend of mine has struggled to grasp the trading concept. We are both football mad, so we set each other a football challenge during December.
We both had £1000 to play with, I traded and Andy simply laid selections he didn't fancy
At the end of the month, my £1000 was now £2066.
Andy's £1000 was now £2534
Finding a loser is much easier than finding a winner, so I'm sure there are people on Betfair who are making a living just laying and not trading
It's interesting that you should say that L. I once looked laying favourites (horses) with form negatives and found that I was getting a ludicrous 80% winning strike rate. It might have been a short term "blip" but I was dumbfounded. I couldn't bring myself to back them, however, the potential for similarities with the fear/greed trading graph was too striking,
cheers, P
cheers, P
I don't think anyone would dispute it is possible to make money laying horses, but this thread was originally about late drifting favorites and laying them because it was implied that the drifts were caused by layers in the know the race was fixed.
As any semi experienced trader would know this is complete tosh in most cases, i mean it happens everyday and some win, some lose.
so if the P&L figures are genuine which i doubt, then they clearly were not achieved by the methods mentioned in this thread,
unless of cause we are all being nieve and it is that 99% of all sporting events are actualy fixed and simply following the money is the Holy grail
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As any semi experienced trader would know this is complete tosh in most cases, i mean it happens everyday and some win, some lose.
so if the P&L figures are genuine which i doubt, then they clearly were not achieved by the methods mentioned in this thread,
unless of cause we are all being nieve and it is that 99% of all sporting events are actualy fixed and simply following the money is the Holy grail
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