Family life on benefits

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mister man
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Mr Undercover wrote:You can see why this family is completely stuck, he needs to earn 50k to better his circumstances and there's no incentive to climb that mountain. You can bet he's out doing cash in hand jobs to suppliment his existence but it's not a very inspiring way of life is it. Philosophically I have a problem with so much being given with nothing in exchange surely it would be better if he had the opportunity to give something back to society and in so doing develop himself and strive towards something better.

when he was working and paying in to the system,i doubt he expected to have to justify getting anything out if needed, he paid into national insurance to insure himself didnt he.
as for the job centre helping people to better themselves through training,if he cant read and write, compile a cv, etc, i.e if hes totally thick he might get some token help, otherwise at over 40 he wont, apart frombeing patroniosed at a job club, spending hours making models of buildings and being shown how to use a phone, and other really job helpful things....
mister man
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Ferru123 wrote:
mister man wrote: I challenge any single male, and i mean any to live purely on jsa for a year, it cant be done,
It's not easy, but you can subsist on very little money if you're inventive.

I do feel for people who have worked hard all their lives, played by the rules, and find themselves on the scrapheap.

But the problem is that, if you pay people too much for being on the dole, you get people taking advantage of it, and thinking 'Why should I bother going out to work when I can just sit at home all day smoking fags, drinking beer and watching Sky Movies? This has got to beat stacking shelves in Sainsburys or flipping burgers in McDs'...
mister man wrote:congrats on the job.....
Thanks! :)

Jeff

inventive yes...i said "purely" on jsa...cant be done.

even the governments own figures show that for a single male on jsa plus housing benedfit and council tax its 40% below their own definition of the poverty line...
thats 40% below survival level...
yes guys with partners and children totally different, all the money goes with the children...

its a fools policy they are following now,they only get away with it through the media feeding peoples prejudices and ignorance....
Iron
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Mister Man

Years ago, I attended Job Club.

People were entitled to use the phone there to make speculative calls to employers, yet funnily enough few did.

As I've mentioned previously, I once went from business to business looking for work, and the business owners I spoke to said that they only occasionally had people calling in on spec like that.

If people aren't doing everything possible to get back into work ASAP, even if it's a lousy job, why should the state help them?

Jeff
Iron
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Let's say you get £65 per week JSA, plus housing benefit, and there's a £15 shortfall in your rent that you need to make up out of the JSA.

So for food, clothes, transportation, etc, you're looking at £50 per week.

It's not easy, but it's doable...

Jeff
mister man wrote: inventive yes...i said "purely" on jsa...cant be done.

even the governments own figures show that for a single male on jsa plus housing benedfit and council tax its 40% below their own definition of the poverty line...
mister man
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food clothes transportation, ...what about electricity, gas, water bill, phone maybe, mobile unlikely, hygeine, insurance, ...you are having a major laugh.........over 12 months it cant be done.
thats even if nothing breaks...
what if something breaks like your washing machine???
etc,etc, etc...

you dont sound like someone whos had to do it to me,youve missed so many obvious pitfalls..
Iron
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mister man wrote:food clothes transportation, ...what about electricity, gas, water bill,
If that's included in your rent, then it's covered by your housing benefit.
mister man wrote:mobile unlikely,
You can get a pay as you go mobile for a tenner, if you need a phone to receive calls from employers.
mister man wrote:hygeine
Soap isn't expensive...
mister man wrote:insurance
OK, you'll have to make do without insurance.
mister man wrote:what if something breaks like your washing machine???
etc,etc, etc...
If my washing machine breaks, it's my landlady's responsibility to sort it out...

BTW, why is it that you get free dental treatment and prescriptions with income-based JSA, but not contribution-based JSA? In other words, people who have paid into the system over a number of years get less in benefits! That's so-called progressive politics for you! :evil:

Jeff
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Why Britain is stuffed: an unintentional masterclass courtesy of the BBC - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... f-the-bbc/

:lol:
mister man
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Ferru123 wrote:
mister man wrote:food clothes transportation, ...what about electricity, gas, water bill,
If that's included in your rent, then it's covered by your housing benefit.
mister man wrote:mobile unlikely,
You can get a pay as you go mobile for a tenner, if you need a phone to receive calls from employers.
mister man wrote:hygeine
Soap isn't expensive...
mister man wrote:insurance
OK, you'll have to make do without insurance.
mister man wrote:what if something breaks like your washing machine???
etc,etc, etc...
If my washing machine breaks, it's my landlady's responsibility to sort it out...

BTW, why is it that you get free dental treatment and prescriptions with income-based JSA, but not contribution-based JSA? In other words, people who have paid into the system over a number of years get less in benefits! That's so-called progressive politics for you! :evil:

Jeff

electricity, gas, water, is not covered by housing benefit!!!! youve not been on the dole obviously....

soap, what about bleach, washing up liquid, toothpaste, washing powder. add that to food every month.

what if your cooker, washing machine is your responsibility.

your arguments dont pass muster at all, im afraid.
like most people whove never actually had to walk the walk, they just dont know the practicalities of it.
but thanks for letting me point it out...

to add to your its tough but possible, on the dole youve missed off from when you thought that, any electricity, gas, water, any phone, any insurance, any hygeine, and any breakages or replacements needed.!!!!!!!!!!!!

should i mention tv licence now or later, and theres a lot more

sorry matey, you are way off beam...
Iron
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mister man wrote: electricity, gas, water, is not covered by housing benefit. youve not been onthe dole obviously....
I have been, but I'll take your word for it.

And I know first hand of the harsh realities of trying to live on 65 quid a week plus housing benefit.

But it is possible to eat for next to nothing, if you've smart about it.

And if your cooker, washing machine, etc breaks down and it's your responsibility, then you're stuffed. But what's the alternative? For the state to offer a free domestic appliance repair service to the unemployed?

People say there are no jobs, but I think they really mean is 'there are no jobs that I want to do'. I bet your average McDonalds is hiring regularly, and there are always manual labour jobs and support worker vacancies, helping physically challenged people with their personal hygiene.

Jeff
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See for example http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/P ... cheap.aspx

'For a low-cost meal for one, fry 100g of lean beef mince with half an onion, one garlic clove and a grated carrot. Stir in a tin of tomatoes and 100g of cooked pasta, sprinkle 30g of cheese on top and bake for 20 minutes.

For just £4.28 you can buy enough ingredients to feed four people, at just over £1 per person, and the calorie content per portion is just 703.

Instant Indian

Everyone enjoys a night in with an Indian takeaway, but a korma with rice and naan bread can amount to as many as 815 calories per portion. Buy it ready-made from a supermarket and you’ll pay around £5.13. Order it from a restaurant, and the price could be £8 to £10.

Making your own version is quick and easy, and at around £4.50 for four people, or £1.13 per person, it's also far cheaper'.


There you go! Four delicious, nutritious meals for less than a fiver!

Jeff

PS And if you live near the sea or a river, for the cost a fishing rod you can catch your own food every day!
Ferru123 wrote: But it is possible to eat for next to nothing, if you've smart about it.
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Ethanol
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If you scour Freecycle, you'll find that you'd never need to buy an appliance again. You'd probably also come across a fishing rod if you kept your eyes open!
mister man
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ferru/ethanol

ferru the fellas cookers bust, fishing rod/recipes are irrelevent now aren't they !!!!!!!, yes hes stuffed but not with home cooked food.
freecycle, they want you to pick up usually, not many long term unemployed can afford a vehicle on £65 p.w...

as for jobs, you can get these figures from DWP, unemployed now officially 2.8M vacancies 0.45M, being gamblers im sure you can do the maths.

i hope im getting through, stop bashing em..
Iron
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mister man wrote:ferru/ethanol

ferru the fellas cookers bust, fishing rod/recipes are irrelevent now aren't they !!!!!!!,
Not if he likes sushi! :lol: :)

Anyway, unless he's a complete sociopath, he's probably got friends and family who won't mind him using their cooker, perhaps in exchange for him doing a few odds jobs for them...

Jeff
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mister man wrote:should i mention tv licence now or later, and theres a lot more

sorry matey, you are way off beam...
Haven't bothered to read this thread but just saw this comment. If I understand correctly we are discussing living on benefits? And someone has said what about paying your TV licence if you are on benefit? (Please correct me if I have misunderstood.

But my point is since when has having a TV or radio been a need for living. It is a luxury not a right or entitlement.

Yes people want to watch TV or listen to the radio but if you can't afford it it does not mean you should get it.

As I say if I have got the wrong end of the stick please correct me.
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Ethanol
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mister man wrote: ferru the fellas cookers bust, fishing rod/recipes are irrelevent now aren't they !!!!!!!, yes hes stuffed but not with home cooked food.
freecycle, they want you to pick up usually, not many long term unemployed can afford a vehicle on £65 p.w...
mister man: All of your posts indicate that you have a very pessimistic view of life. Perhaps you should try being a little more optimistic, and look towards solving problems rather than creating more. ;)

If I were in the situation which you and Jeff are describing above, and I could not get a job, I'd find a way of living.

As for not being able to collect a cooker... I would hope that if I were in that situation, I'd have friends or family willing to help. If not, then I'd explain my poor and lonely existence to the person donating the item, in the hope that they'd be willing to help, or offer suggestions. Otherwise I'd only look for goods within a half-mile radius, and wheel the damn thing home myself on a sack truck - a sack truck which I'd find a way of acquiring through neighbours within my vicinity. If none of these worked out, I'd visit charity shops, and ask them for help.

No doubt you'll find flaws in all of the above scenarios, but whatever situation I were in, I'd find a way out. Put others in the same situation, and where their very survival depends on it, they will too.
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