Following on from the thread, how likely is it that permanent damage has been done to a processor? And is it possible to get a definitive answer to the whether the damage exists.
I have a set up that should be more than capable of doing what I want it to do but I'm having issue's with it (Its now several years old) and having read this thread maybe heat is a potential cause, but I really dont know.
I don't want to invest in a complete new computer if replacing a cheap cooling fan will sort the problem out. I'll probably try it anyway but is there a way to know if permanent damage has been done?
What is a good spec pc for trading
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JollyGreen
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If a CPU is damaged it is pretty much a digital option - it's knackered or it's okay.
Can you describe the symptoms you are experiencing? On most motherboards, even one that is 5 years old, there would be a cut out in the board. It measures the temperature of the CPU and when it hits the maximum temperature it will shut down the PC. You rarely get any warning unless you have a piece of software which interacts via the OS. I use this Core Temp
WARNING: This uses a download manager. It will only add search tools etc, no viruses but take it step by step and decline (uncheck) the options
This will tell you when the temperature is too high and you can then shut down manually.
If you can describe the issues you are having I may be able to suggest the likely issue....hopefully!
Can you describe the symptoms you are experiencing? On most motherboards, even one that is 5 years old, there would be a cut out in the board. It measures the temperature of the CPU and when it hits the maximum temperature it will shut down the PC. You rarely get any warning unless you have a piece of software which interacts via the OS. I use this Core Temp
WARNING: This uses a download manager. It will only add search tools etc, no viruses but take it step by step and decline (uncheck) the options
This will tell you when the temperature is too high and you can then shut down manually.
If you can describe the issues you are having I may be able to suggest the likely issue....hopefully!
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the reply, unfortunately i now have an even bigger issue. I bought and installed a new cooling fan and looking at the state of the previous thermal paste it wouldn't surprise me if that was the issue all along. However, whatever i have done, when I switch the computer on now the fan springs to life but thats it. The screens stay blank, in fact they don't go out of hibernation mode at all.
Now I'm really stumped regarding what to do next.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Thanks for the reply, unfortunately i now have an even bigger issue. I bought and installed a new cooling fan and looking at the state of the previous thermal paste it wouldn't surprise me if that was the issue all along. However, whatever i have done, when I switch the computer on now the fan springs to life but thats it. The screens stay blank, in fact they don't go out of hibernation mode at all.
Now I'm really stumped regarding what to do next.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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JollyGreen
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Let me know what kind of CPU as that will let me what socket you have. Also, how does the cooler fan fit, is it push fit or screw fit? The former pushes into the motherboard mounting holes, the latter uses the same holes but you then screw it down until it makes a good contact.
It's very easy to over tighten the fan and this will often stop the PC from booting. The good news is it isn't often fatal, you can remove the fan check the seating of the CPU and try again.
This may seem a bit out of left field but the faults you describe suggest a RAM issue. I would suggest removing the RAM module(s) and putting them back one at a time, if you have more than one.
It's very easy to over tighten the fan and this will often stop the PC from booting. The good news is it isn't often fatal, you can remove the fan check the seating of the CPU and try again.
This may seem a bit out of left field but the faults you describe suggest a RAM issue. I would suggest removing the RAM module(s) and putting them back one at a time, if you have more than one.
I've removed the fan and re-seated the processor before putting back the fan of which has a push fit fitting and have removed each stick of ram whilst trying the other but unfortunately to no difference in outcome.
The processor is an Intel core2 Q6600 Quad
The processor is an Intel core2 Q6600 Quad
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I had the same CPU on my last homebuilt pc. The power supply wasn't strong enough for the amount of extras I was adding on and I kept blowing graphics cards until I got a new higher wattage power supply. If you have any spares, try a different graphics card. If the computer is starting up ok and no display then I'd definitely be looking at a different graphics card or trying HDMI out to a tv to use as monitor if it's available on the mainboard.
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JollyGreen
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Do you have built in graphics or a dedicated card? When it boots do you see anything (BIOS name?) Or is just totally dead? Does the light on your monitor change - orange to green usually - or is that basically dead?walshy wrote:I've removed the fan and re-seated the processor before putting back the fan of which has a push fit fitting and have removed each stick of ram whilst trying the other but unfortunately to no difference in outcome.
The processor is an Intel core2 Q6600 Quad
My concern would be the BIOS may have defaulted to onboard graphics and you are connecting to a dedicated graphics card.
I upgraded the graphics card to a Radeon 6450 a couple of years ago when i wanted a second monitor and its been running fine ever since.
The power supply is the same one the machine came with when new and I've had no issues with it so far.the processor is the original one.
When i switch the computer on I see nothing, no Bios info. The light on the monitors stays orange.
I've tried connecting one of the monitors to both the new card and the default connection and all that happens is the light on the screen go's blue for a couple of seconds then I get a message saying the screen is going into sleep mode and the light go's orange again.
This happens with both connections
The power supply is the same one the machine came with when new and I've had no issues with it so far.the processor is the original one.
When i switch the computer on I see nothing, no Bios info. The light on the monitors stays orange.
I've tried connecting one of the monitors to both the new card and the default connection and all that happens is the light on the screen go's blue for a couple of seconds then I get a message saying the screen is going into sleep mode and the light go's orange again.
This happens with both connections
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JollyGreen
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When these things occur it is a process of elimination.
If the fans are turning then the PSU should be okay. Admittedly the voltage may be dropping under load so it cannot power the full system, hence the fans turning and creating the impression the PSU is okay.
For now let's assume the PSU is okay, remove the Radeon card. connect to the onboard graphics and let me if anything changes.
If the fans are turning then the PSU should be okay. Admittedly the voltage may be dropping under load so it cannot power the full system, hence the fans turning and creating the impression the PSU is okay.
For now let's assume the PSU is okay, remove the Radeon card. connect to the onboard graphics and let me if anything changes.
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Out of interest have you tried different monitors? I have seen this where number 1 monitor is dead! You can test them by connecting to a laptop graphics output.walshy wrote:Ive done that Dave, but unfortunately no change.
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JollyGreen
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It can be fixed but it is a question of time and resources.walshy wrote:Just tried that and monitor working fine,
Is this likely to be a fixable issue do you think or is it time to just give up the ghost and get a new one?
From my experience, it is unlikely to be the CPU. I have never seen a CPU fail; yes, of course they do but you have to cook them or drop them or crush them in their socket.
We seem to have eliminated the RAM (how many sticks?) And the graphics card.
The next likely culprit is the PSU as mentioned by Dublin Flyer. It may be providing enough power for the fans but not enough for the PC in general. Do you have one you can try?
Last would be the motherboard but again these do not fail that often unless you cook them.
Can you describe the symptoms when this started to play up?
The main issue was the CPU running to 100%.
There are 2 sticks of Ram a 1GB and a 2GB.
I think I may have a PSU in the garage I'll dig it out and try it, but is it likely to fail just by changing a fan?
When I changed the fan I had to completely take out the motherboard to remove a back plate from the previous fan as the new one wouldn't fit in the holes otherwise.
This was stuck on so maybe I have done some damage accidentally in the process, although I thought I'd been pretty careful.
I really appreciate yourself and Dublin Flyer taking the time to help here, unfortunately I'm not as tech savvy as I should be
There are 2 sticks of Ram a 1GB and a 2GB.
I think I may have a PSU in the garage I'll dig it out and try it, but is it likely to fail just by changing a fan?
When I changed the fan I had to completely take out the motherboard to remove a back plate from the previous fan as the new one wouldn't fit in the holes otherwise.
This was stuck on so maybe I have done some damage accidentally in the process, although I thought I'd been pretty careful.
I really appreciate yourself and Dublin Flyer taking the time to help here, unfortunately I'm not as tech savvy as I should be