Farcical!!! - Manipulation of Betfair odds

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Bet Angel
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andyfuller wrote:If I were a straight Layer I would have been smashing it up at that price given the state of the horse.
I must admit I hadn't really thought about whether there is a value lay at points like this. But you would certainly think there is a good case for it.
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andyfuller
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Like with the guy who chucks huge amounts at the markets there has to be great value in opposing these moves/manipulation. For the straight backer/layer there are great opportunities, I am sure some of the big players have made fortunes out of these people. It is an approach I am looking into more and could help with reducing the Premium Charge along the way.
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andyfuller
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Hmmmm are they on Tilt after a big loss on the football?
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Finoh
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Newton (race 1) at 1 hour 20 min before the start and there is nearly $30,000 Aus dollars(whatever that is in pounds) sitting there at the front of the queue. Somebody is keen!!
Be happy
Finoh
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Bet Angel
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Bet Angel
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In a lot of markets this evening. This thread is becoming a useful referance point.
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andyfuller
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At it again today - they were on Follow The Flag there but didn't need to use as bigger stakes as yesterday to hold it.
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andyfuller
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Out in force again today on multiple runners - they are making the horses they choose untradeable, at least for me anyway as there is no point joining the back of £20k
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Mug
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Yes, he seems to be on a lot of races today.
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Bet Angel
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I smell very, very burnt fingers!! ;)
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Rubik

Any views on what to do when this guy appears?
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pt9091
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southwell 2005!!

Front 3 horses simoultaneously being held in postion, this is new to me anyway! large amounts flahsing very timely in and out of the market. whats the point of this?
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SilentDave
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Yeah, I saw that - just flashing the money in and out of the market at the same price. He pushed the price of the fav out shortly before the off. Strange.
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pt9091
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clearly just trying to annoy us traders now! I cant see any profitable reason for doing what I just saw, maybe more just to be a pest!
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followthatcamel
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This thread contains a number of screenshots of betfair charts - some taken after the off (showing Betfair SP), and some taken before the off (Showing Projected Betfair SP).

Whilst most of the detail on the charts is self explanatory, I am having difficulty in understanding the significance of amounts contained in the Betfair SP Columns (both for pre-off and post off), and how (if at all) they relate to the comments being made in the relevant post?

Would be most grateful if someone could provide a simple guide to interpreting these amounts (and what they could/do mean), to help understand better the points being made in the posts where the charts are used.

Regards
Doug
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