Chat GPT & Generative AI tools

[decomez6]

AI will look for patterns that emerge in large datasets and is being already used by large betting companies .

a charity shop of AI trading bots .. OR some sorts Scrap Yard for used betting patterns

=garbage in /garbage out ..... A I is only useful if you have an accurate Database. & NO body (even RED CROSS relief) will share a winning formula .

imagine two winning BOTS against each other. ....I will use my human intellect , let them nihilate each other as i pick up thier hard work , RUN HOME clean and DRY

I don't really understand AI but I've read that some AI engines are "educated" by humans. The AI engine answers questions and humans correct the answers (at low pay). Not exactly Asimov's "I robot" is it?

an accurate database with well trained specialists is no JOKE... there is a reason why Google , Facebook, tweeter , apple , Teslar ETC are of National importance when it comes to Governance.
the best chess player is no longer human , coding will soon be a thing of the past,......... Chat GPT ( and many more ) are not premium products. Just' barebones ' base models that are made available to the public for development and organic learning .
companies like amazon have massive database on consumer behaviour , the weahther forecast is getting better every day .... even casinos know there is enough technology to ball track the wheel on a roulette table.
in short... the Future of AI in sports is in technologies like TPD... but as we all know it , there is no 100% guarantee ...at best, AI is useful as a Hedging tool to affirm human intuition.

[Derek27]

The guy who plotted to kill the queen confessed his plans to an AI chatbot.

[MemphisFlash]

I have the $20 a month Beta addon etc.

It wasnt working great, but this morning a Bing plugin came available.

To test, I put this question in :

It sorted a result in under a minute. It is pretty impressive (thou I suppose how useful the data is, is debateable).

I dont know if the results are accurate.

Can you rank the top 10 racecourses in the UK where pre-race favourites win the most, since 1 Jan 2020

ChatGPT
Finished browsing
The top 10 racecourses in the UK where pre-race favourites win the most, since 1 Jan 2020, are:

Carlisle (48% non-handicap, 32% handicap)
Thirsk (51% non-handicap, 29% handicap)
Windsor (49% non-handicap, 33% handicap)
Yarmouth (48% non-handicap, 36% handicap)
Catterick (58% non-handicap, data for handicap races not provided)
Hamilton (50% non-handicap, 28% handicap)
Brighton (44% non-handicap, 31% handicap)
Bath (43% non-handicap, 34% handicap)
Lingfield (44% non-handicap, 33% handicap)
Sandown (44% non-handicap, 41% handicap)

Please note that these percentages reflect the total win rate for favourites across both handicap and non-handicap races. Also, the data for Catterick does not provide a win rate for handicap races, so the overall win rate may be different if this data were available​1​.

i asked it the same question, different answer

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[greenmark]

a charity shop of AI trading bots .. OR some sorts Scrap Yard for used betting patterns

=garbage in /garbage out ..... A I is only useful if you have an accurate Database. & NO body (even RED CROSS relief) will share a winning formula .

imagine two winning BOTS against each other. ....I will use my human intellect , let them nihilate each other as i pick up thier hard work , RUN HOME clean and DRY

I don't really understand AI but I've read that some AI engines are "educated" by humans. The AI engine answers questions and humans correct the answers (at low pay). Not exactly Asimov's "I robot" is it?

an accurate database with well trained specialists is no JOKE... there is a reason why Google , Facebook, tweeter , apple , Teslar ETC are of National importance when it comes to Governance.
the best chess player is no longer human , coding will soon be a thing of the past,......... Chat GPT ( and many more ) are not premium products. Just' barebones ' base models that are made available to the public for development and organic learning .
companies like amazon have massive database on consumer behaviour , the weahther forecast is getting better every day .... even casinos know there is enough technology to ball track the wheel on a roulette table.
in short... the Future of AI in sports is in technologies like TPD... but as we all know it , there is no 100% guarantee ...at best, AI is useful as a Hedging tool to affirm human intuition.

That is a monumental pile of crap. "The best chess player is no longer human". Well I'll be blowed. A square grid with pieces that can only move in certain ways cannot be mastered by a computer program? Cobblers! Computing power and humans programming it, job done! AI is the latest big con. The reason? Computers are as thick as pig poo. They are a blank page. They have to be told what to do.

[decomez6]

Computers are as thick as pig poo. They are a blank page. They have to be told what to do.

Exactly the point ..

computers have no BIAS . humans are the weakest Link .

[greenmark]

Computers are as thick as pig poo. They are a blank page. They have to be told what to do.

Exactly the point ..

computers have no BIAS . humans are the weakest Link .

And humans program computers.

[firlandsfarm]

It will clearly evolve and maybe my prompts need to be refined - but can see online search changing a lot.

I used the Bing thing earlier today for the first time having been in the Google camp for searches and it's certainly changed my approach to searching.

[firlandsfarm]

ChatGPT is a large language model, it's not a statistical model. Lots of people jumping on the bandwagon to promote 'AI' services just shows how out of touch they are IMHO.

Agreed Euler, I came to that conclusion within 10 minutes of playing with it re statistical questioning so that takes me back to my original post ... are there many different AI bots out there or are they all ChatGPT based with a different front door for entry?

[firlandsfarm]

Computers are as thick as pig poo.

I used to farm pigs and I can assure you there is nothing thick about their poo!!

[Big Bad Barney]

are there many different AI bots out there or are they all ChatGPT based with a different front door for entry?

These guys reckon it's all the same; I dunno enough about it though. As a noob, I found it to be an interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ

[greenmark]

Computers are as thick as pig poo.

I used to farm pigs and I can assure you there is nothing thick about their poo!!

OK. How about as thick as a whale omelette?
But my point was computers can be made to appear intelligent by the software that humans install. To abdicate any part of human judgement is a slippery slope.
Sure we have antilock braking systems and at one time a human needed to control the retardation or advancing of ignition on a car. That's all good stuff.
Heck, BetAngel enables people to do stuff that would take huge effort. But the point is those examples are all under human control.

I am deeply suspicious about driverless vehicles. And I know the arguments - humans are more flawed than reliable software etc. And my opinion isn't a Luddite reaction to potential progress, but AI is such a leap it needs a serious examination of the ethics. Ie does the average person really understand this stuff and if we do, do we want it? We don't have any democratic oversight of either the ethics nor do we have a vote about whether it should happpen.
It should be in each political party's manifesto, but I suspect it won't be. AI seems to be happening whether the public are aware or like it or not.

[ShaunWhite]

AI is only as good as the data it's trained on, and what data is available to it. And if that's biased, wrong, incomplete or misleading, then it's responses will be too.

But there's a distinction between consumer AI like ChatGPT and 'pro' AI you train yourself. ChatGPT is getting headlines but the more interesting area for us is the cheap pro tools that people can feed with verified data and data not pubilcally available, like Betfair data.

I tried ChatGPT with a simple starter question .....it can't access data after 2021 so apparently doesn't know about 2019? (gpt 4.0).

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[wearthefoxhat]

Thought I'd try an obvious approach, however it can only "learn" in a certain way.

This is why the human brain will have an edge, of course, depends on which human brain we're talking about.

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[firlandsfarm]

Computers are as thick as pig poo.

I used to farm pigs and I can assure you there is nothing thick about their poo!!

OK. How about as thick as a whale omelette?
But my point was computers can be made to appear intelligent by the software that humans install ....

And I fully agree your point, mine was just a bit of banter

[firlandsfarm]

AI is only as good as the data it's trained on, and what data is available to it. And if that's biased, wrong, incomplete or misleading, then it's responses will be too.

I wondered for a moment if you were talking about the media!

But there's a distinction between consumer AI like ChatGPT and 'pro' AI you train yourself. ChatGPT is getting headlines but the more interesting area for us is the cheap pro tools that people can feed with verified data and data not pubilcally available, like Betfair data.

Agreed, and that was my reason for the question i posed a few posts ago ...

... are there many different AI bots out there or are they all ChatGPT based with a different front door for entry?