Cheers for the message Kafkaesque! I did manage to sort myself out just before.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:24 pmJust a quick heads up, if anyone is hoping to trade tonight's FA Cup tie (given that it's one the few viable matches tonight) and have money in the market. It's not going inplay by the looks of it.
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No problem, glad it worked outCallumPerry wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:54 pmCheers for the message Kafkaesque! I did manage to sort myself out just before.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:24 pmJust a quick heads up, if anyone is hoping to trade tonight's FA Cup tie (given that it's one the few viable matches tonight) and have money in the market. It's not going inplay by the looks of it.
Previously, I would never double-check British leagues, as I do some other specific leagues, where I know there's issues. But there was a story a month or two ago about the rights for some British leagues/matches, which would or could affect the service providers, so good to have a look on the website just in case. For future reference 
That is quite interesting, after L'pool beat City on Sunday I kept reading loads of tweets where people were saying City had the harder start and L'pool a fairly easy run, nice to see that debunked
No way, Liverpool already played the top 6 + Leicester while City only played 2 of them (and got 1 point), that's why City have to play them now over the coming weeks
It looks like Leicester has a good opportunity here to cement their top 4 credentials over the festive period, I'm sure Brendao will be salivating over that one!
Looks very good for Sheff Utd to, I doubt many would have had them and Leicester in the top 5 come xmasKai wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:38 pmNo way, Liverpool already played the top 6 + Leicester while City only played 2 of them (and got 1 point), that's why City have to play them now over the coming weeks
It looks like Leicester has a good opportunity here to cement their top 4 credentials over the festive period, I'm sure Brendao will be salivating over that one!
Yeah, very impressive. There's only 3 points difference between 5th and 16th but still Sheff Utd did already manage to get a result against Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs so it looks like they are here to stay. No idea what Everton is doing tbh, Moise Kean still on 0 goals and already linked to a move away in January, could easily get worse for them.
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I should preface this by saying that my personal opinion is that the booing was unneccessary, uncalled for, and unfair to Gomez as an individual player. Especially since a number of people on here, who I respect as posters and traders, are LFC fans, so not trying to stir s*** for the sake of it. Just my impression and understanding, so take it for what it is.
My thought when it happened was always that it wasn't directed at Gomez as such. Nor did it have anything to do with (supporting) Sterling. It was pure anti-Liverpool. Your comment led me to wonder more. I've called a few mates, who I knew would likely be at the match. They've confirmed that the chatter and shouting before the substitution actually took place (ie. when it was apparent it would happen), during it, and after, would all suggest people using Gomez as an Liverpool scapegoat. Not that it in itself confirms it. Only supports it. I assume a substitution was seen as a nice interlude to do this, before getting back to supporting England.
That picture of Gomez standing chest to chest with Sterling (or not really, giving the height difference), while peering down at him arrogantly, along with the funnies being made about it, I gather, on social media by Pool fans, has stirred up something that's been boiling for a while. It reflects how most other fans feel, Liverpool fans view themselves and their club.
I've yet to come across any fan in the last few years, who hasn't said "anybody but Liverpool" when it comes to major trophies. At times mitigated by "okay, maybe Liverpool before 'insert biggest rival' though" but often even not that. Should say that by fan, I mean match-going fans. Most casual fans thinks Klopp is such a sweatheart. I'm partly in the anybody but Liverpool camp myself. Partly as it would still be preferable to the racists of West London FC, but beyond that probably I'm there. I used to like Liverpool, as much as you can a rival club, as I also did Klopp when he was in Germany and his initial time in England. At this point my stomach turns every time the man speaks.
I won't be able to convey how disappointing that is. But, hey, opinion is opinion and you are respected poster in my opinion.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:16 pmI should preface this by saying that my personal opinion is that the booing was unneccessary, uncalled for, and unfair to Gomez as an individual player. Especially since a number of people on here, who I respect as posters and traders, are LFC fans, so not trying to stir s*** for the sake of it. Just my impression and understanding, so take it for what it is.
My thought when it happened was always that it wasn't directed at Gomez as such. Nor did it have anything to do with (supporting) Sterling. It was pure anti-Liverpool. Your comment led me to wonder more. I've called a few mates, who I knew would likely be at the match. They've confirmed that the chatter and shouting before the substitution actually took place (ie. when it was apparent it would happen), during it, and after, would all suggest people using Gomez as an Liverpool scapegoat. Not that it in itself confirms it. Only supports it. I assume a substitution was seen as a nice interlude to do this, before getting back to supporting England.
That picture of Gomez standing chest to chest with Sterling (or not really, giving the height difference), while peering down at him arrogantly, along with the funnies being made about it, I gather, on social media by Pool fans, has stirred up something that's been boiling for a while. It reflects how most other fans feel, Liverpool fans view themselves and their club.
I've yet to come across any fan in the last few years, who hasn't said "anybody but Liverpool" when it comes to major trophies. At times mitigated by "okay, maybe Liverpool before 'insert biggest rival' though" but often even not that. Should say that by fan, I mean match-going fans. Most casual fans thinks Klopp is such a sweatheart. I'm partly in the anybody but Liverpool camp myself. Partly as it would still be preferable to the racists of West London FC, but beyond that probably I'm there. I used to like Liverpool, as much as you can a rival club, as I also did Klopp when he was in Germany and his initial time in England. At this point my stomach turns every time the man speaks.
I don't really understand the animosity against LFC or MUFC or AFC and so on. Is it envy? Or a reaction to the crowing of some fans of those clubs that are successful.
But in any case my animosity is reserved for groups of player at any club that fail their fans. Eg Sunderland, Stoke, Blackburn Rovers. That is truly unforgiveable.
I agree and I would argue that it goes even deeper than that, but it's not my place to discuss the cultural and political aspects of it. There is a reason why Liverpool fans call themselves "Scouse, and not English", and why a large chunk of the local supporters don't care about the England team at all.Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:16 pmMy thought when it happened was always that it wasn't directed at Gomez as such. Nor did it have anything to do with (supporting) Sterling. It was pure anti-Liverpool.
That picture of Gomez standing chest to chest with Sterling (or not really, giving the height difference), while peering down at him arrogantly, along with the funnies being made about it, I gather, on social media by Pool fans, has stirred up something that's been boiling for a while. It reflects how most other fans feel, Liverpool fans view themselves and their club.
Yes, the term that people have coined for Liverpool and its fanbase is "The Unbearables"Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:16 pmI've yet to come across any fan in the last few years, who hasn't said "anybody but Liverpool" when it comes to major trophies. At times mitigated by "okay, maybe Liverpool before 'insert biggest rival' though" but often even not that.
Some people still haven't gotten over the Istanbul comeback and they think that they will never hear the end of it if Liverpool win the league now. Well, they are absolutely right, in the age of internet and social media and memes they will never ever hear the end it, any and every success will be amplified a thousandfold because this is a younger fanbase that was (more or less) starved of footballing success over a long period and they will know how to celebrate and appreciate success Like anything in life, it all boils down to past success and envy, fans don't really care about a well run club that plays attacking attractive football, and that tells you that they don't want them to win for all the wrong reasons that don't have anything to do with football. Instead, they want a sportswashing oil-rich club to win everything
As evolved as we are technologically we still very much suffer from tribalism.Well if you've got evidence that he is not what he appears to be on the surface and that he is in fact Hitler incarnate then I would love to see it!Kafkaesque wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:16 pmMost casual fans thinks Klopp is such a sweatheart. At this point my stomach turns every time the man speaks.
Fully agree, there are plenty of valid rational reasons to hate certain clubs/owners/fanbases but that is not part of human nature unfortunately, because people are irrational at their very core. The stadium last night looked half empty, that's the saddest thing for me personally.greenmark wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:07 pmI won't be able to convey how disappointing that is. I don't really understand the animosity against LFC or MUFC or AFC and so on. Is it envy? Or a reaction to the crowing of some fans of those clubs that are successful.
But in any case my animosity is reserved for groups of player at any club that fail their fans. Eg Sunderland, Stoke, Blackburn Rovers. That is truly unforgiveable.