Likewise this is a concern of mine, but I think/hope it's highly likely we'll retain the free movement chapter in exchange for access to markets alla Norwegian deal.Euler wrote:Must admit, I'm disappointed for my kids who will lose the right to live, work and travel without restriction. There is the real prospect that Wales and England will be the only country they have any automatic right to anything.
EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)
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Mr Undercover
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I've got a European Union passport from Scottish parents. So first, my rights to live and work could contract to just Britain. Then, after Scottish independence, my rights to live and work may contract further, to Scotland onlyEuler wrote:Must admit, I'm disappointed for my kids who will lose the right to live, work and travel without restriction. There is the real prospect that Wales and England will be the only country they have any automatic right to anything.
Well, the Brexit won't be finalized for 2 years, so the EU passports should still be good up until then?
Not sure what happens after that. Hopefully, as Undercover says, it may be possible to cut some sort of deal?
What the UK needs now is for a real 'hard man' to take the PM job and stop all this nonsense. Cameron was too soft allowing a Brexit referendum. The next PM isn't going to be holding any more referendums I think
"In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201
Remember your success as a trader Peter - never follow the crowdEuler wrote:"In Moody's view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201
These 'experts' were wrong over our decision to keep the Pound, they failed to forecast the banking crisis too. The future of the EU looks fucked, so our future looks brighter than many are predicting
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CaerMyrddin
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Let's see, I believe there will be great political pressure to set an example and a big ecomical pressure to leave everything 'as is'.Not sure what happens after that. Hopefully, as Undercover says, it may be possible to cut some sort of deal?
This is going to be a rough couple of years and things can shift quickly and dramatically at any point of the proccess. Tension can arise in the UK or elsewhere in Europe.
Subtle things have changed already. Was talking to my cousin who works at a British company. Both he and I are very 'pro-British' and when I asked if anything is going to change for him he told me everything was allright but he wasn't going to buy a Britannia car seat for his kid anymore, because it has a Union Jack sticked in it. We are sensible reasonable people, and yet small changes take place very quickly.
People here are feeling abandoned and outraged.
I believe this will be a pivotal moment, like 9/11 or the fall of the Berlin wall.
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CaerMyrddin
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Why LeTiss, has London left the United Kingdom?
In a nutshell, London has historically always been cosmopolitan and diverse - the rest of England, not so much
There has been a growing anger in England at uncontrolled immigration over recent years, fuelled by the EU's insistence of freedom of movement across borders. There are some areas in England that have been changed by this - people feel as though we have been invaded
London is the centre of the banking industry - another reason for rage outside of the capital. We saw the banking fatcats f**k the country, get huge bonuses and yet it was other parts of the country, especially working class areas in the Midlands and North that felt the fall out worse than where the greedy bastards caused the trouble.
We are not allowed to talk about Muslim immigration anymore due to everyone being gagged by political correctness, but there is a undeniable fear and resentment in many areas to other cultures taking over, especially with terrorists trying to change the way we live. There was great concern in England at the increasing power and influence of Angela Merkel, and how she forced ludicrous amounts of Muslim refugees upon the German people with drastic implications in some areas. People were fearful of that happening here, especially with Turkey possibly joining soon
People feel the EU has become so bureaucratic that it has spilled over into a dictatorship. Individual countries are being raped of there individuality due to the EU wanting to form a United states of Europe. Once again, outside of London there was a growing rage at how these unelected tossers were imposing rules upon the UK that we never wanted or asked for. It felt as though Brussels were in charge not Westminster
I could go on Antonio. This day has been coming I'm afraid. It's nothing against Portugal I can assure you
There has been a growing anger in England at uncontrolled immigration over recent years, fuelled by the EU's insistence of freedom of movement across borders. There are some areas in England that have been changed by this - people feel as though we have been invaded
London is the centre of the banking industry - another reason for rage outside of the capital. We saw the banking fatcats f**k the country, get huge bonuses and yet it was other parts of the country, especially working class areas in the Midlands and North that felt the fall out worse than where the greedy bastards caused the trouble.
We are not allowed to talk about Muslim immigration anymore due to everyone being gagged by political correctness, but there is a undeniable fear and resentment in many areas to other cultures taking over, especially with terrorists trying to change the way we live. There was great concern in England at the increasing power and influence of Angela Merkel, and how she forced ludicrous amounts of Muslim refugees upon the German people with drastic implications in some areas. People were fearful of that happening here, especially with Turkey possibly joining soon
People feel the EU has become so bureaucratic that it has spilled over into a dictatorship. Individual countries are being raped of there individuality due to the EU wanting to form a United states of Europe. Once again, outside of London there was a growing rage at how these unelected tossers were imposing rules upon the UK that we never wanted or asked for. It felt as though Brussels were in charge not Westminster
I could go on Antonio. This day has been coming I'm afraid. It's nothing against Portugal I can assure you
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superfrank
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London voted 59.9% to 40.1% to remain - the way it's being reported in the press you'd have thought it was 80/20.
The elites had it coming - they've shown a vile disdain for anyone who doesn't share their 'progressive' thinking. The arrogance of an economics only fear campaign typified their attitude to those they consider unworthy (i.e. the less educated, white and poor - the very people who lay down their lives to keep this country free in 2 world wars).
The elites had it coming - they've shown a vile disdain for anyone who doesn't share their 'progressive' thinking. The arrogance of an economics only fear campaign typified their attitude to those they consider unworthy (i.e. the less educated, white and poor - the very people who lay down their lives to keep this country free in 2 world wars).
I can't disagree with much of what you have said LeTiss. But I don't think walking away was the way to resolve it. If we stayed in the EU and made such a fuss that they chucked us out, then that may have been more productive and we wouldn't have lost a thing. As it is, the UK as we knew it, is pretty likely to vanish completely and I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of unintended consequences. It will be some time before things settle down as well and nobody really knows where it will end up. I'm pretty sure that the young vote will shift significantly, because they are the ones that have been disenfranchised by the older voters.
In my eyes, the world is a much more interconnected place now and having worked all over it, you realise that the UK is very inward looking to the outside world.
I'm sure things will work out in the long term, but short term it's going to be a very bumpy ride and there are going to be a lot of changes and some things will change in ways nobody could have thought possible.
I'd imagine Donald Trump has been given a massive boost by the Brexit and will leverage it in his campaign.
In my eyes, the world is a much more interconnected place now and having worked all over it, you realise that the UK is very inward looking to the outside world.
I'm sure things will work out in the long term, but short term it's going to be a very bumpy ride and there are going to be a lot of changes and some things will change in ways nobody could have thought possible.
I'd imagine Donald Trump has been given a massive boost by the Brexit and will leverage it in his campaign.
I wonder how different the result might have been had Cameron been Leave or stayed Remain but took a less pro-active role like Corbyn.
A shift of just a 750'000 Camaron hater votes would of been enough to change the result - and I think the feeling in the North was more against him than the EU.
A shift of just a 750'000 Camaron hater votes would of been enough to change the result - and I think the feeling in the North was more against him than the EU.
I'm pondering how the debate should have taken shape. I think it was awful and embarrassing at times and didn't really do justice to the scope of the debate on either side. I think a bunch of kids in a school playground could have held a better debate at times!
Dallas - you've definitely nailed the rationale behind a lot of leave votes. DC!!
was speaking to a mate last night from Dublin and he's hinting that Dublin will become the hub for businesses operating currently from the UK, that have a logistical need to smoothly negotiate borders across europe without the red tape that is envisaged. might be a great time to survey the opportunities that Dublin offers, before the rental prices take on ransom like proportions.
was speaking to a mate last night from Dublin and he's hinting that Dublin will become the hub for businesses operating currently from the UK, that have a logistical need to smoothly negotiate borders across europe without the red tape that is envisaged. might be a great time to survey the opportunities that Dublin offers, before the rental prices take on ransom like proportions.