Trading What I see !?

[Trader Pat]

This is driving me mad... so here's one of my latest charts, Doncaster 15:20 Nov Hcap today, top 4favs. Volume starts increasing from 7mins, but then prices just go randomly everywhere til the off... where are the opportunities there? none maybe? Looking carefully you can see Black&Green and Blue&Red pairs both mirror each other. But can't really see what you could have anticipated?
market_Doncaster 18th Mar - 15_20 3m Nov Hcap Hrd.jpg

By only looking at the underlying data and not at the markets themselves in real time, you're starting point is at a massive disadvantage compared to a manual trader.

You say you don't have time to manually trade markets but yet you say you'll review the data in the evening... I think you'd be better served using your evenings to look at live markets. I'm not sure how you expect to make sense of data if you don't know what you're looking for in the first place.

[Emmson]

This is driving me mad... so here's one of my latest charts, Doncaster 15:20 Nov Hcap today, top 4favs. Volume starts increasing from 7mins, but then prices just go randomly everywhere til the off... where are the opportunities there? none maybe? Looking carefully you can see Black&Green and Blue&Red pairs both mirror each other. But can't really see what you could have anticipated?
market_Doncaster 18th Mar - 15_20 3m Nov Hcap Hrd.jpg

I like to pay close attention to how quick the moves are, if a nag comes in 8s to 6s in 10 seconds then after observing quickly what's going on on other runners I make a judgement on whether that nags price is gonna head back where it came from or semi head back in the next few seconds or even 1 second or even 1/2 a second.

[napshnap]

Keep in mind that there is Cheltenham Festival going on, it attracts huge sums and some of this money can influence other markets making them behave differently than on a regular day.

[Black Ladder]

Keep in mind that there is Cheltenham Festival going on, it attracts huge sums and some of this money can influence other markets making them behave differently than on a regular day.

Is that a regular occurrence, and do you know why.

[goat68]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

[jamesg46]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

[goat68]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

4368, you missed one, you not been watching closely enough James!?

So manual vs auto, I get several conflicting views on comparing those, soft v hard, etc..

[jamesg46]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

4368, you missed one, you not been watching closely enough James!?

So manual vs auto, I get several conflicting views on comparing those, soft v hard, etc..

sorry goat, my attention span isn't the best.

I'm not sure, I'd "guess" & only guess that some great automation has come off the back of manual knowledge.... gotta be worth a stab at it if you can find a willing manual trader who lacks in your skill set area?

[jamesg46]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

4368, you missed one, you not been watching closely enough James!?

So manual vs auto, I get several conflicting views on comparing those, soft v hard, etc..

I ran a bot for a day over a blanket set of markets the other week, similar to what we were discussing the other day & from what I remeber it wasn't half bad... maybe a few tweaks from someone with better knowledge of automation and it'll be a step closer to where it needs to be.

I'm not really into automation a whole lot and I just don't have the desire to take it seriously enough, I just prefer being hands on.

I'll send it over to you if you want it & maybe it can be of some use to you.... I'm not after an exchange of knowledge or whatever but if you're interested pm me your email.

[goat68]

1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad
2nd Nov : +37p : Well done bot! and at Cheltenham too

[napshnap]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

If you're mostly manual trader than you guys are meant for each other, you both even have digits in your nicknames. Start a new traders family .

Also, shouldn't I get some forum achievement if my VWAP idea will work for goat68?

[goat68]

1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad
2nd Nov : +37p : Well done bot! and at Cheltenham too
3rd Nov : +80p : Ooo, didn't he do well!

[jamesg46]

While others stress over Cheltenham, goat bot starts it's new strategy, will be using units of "pence" !:
1st Mdn : -7p : not too bad

No stress my end goat, I'm just sitting back, sipping my water and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Best of luck with bot 4367

Why don't you try connecting with a manual trader and combine your skills with theirs? I'm sure there would be someone willing to trade off some manual skills for some automation development... least that way you can put some manual experience into automation & come up with the best of both worlds for two people.

If you're mostly manual trader than you guys are meant for each other, you both even have digits in your nicknames. Start a new traders family .

Also, shouldn't I get some forum achievement if my VWAP idea will work for goat68?

You'll have to take it up with Betangel but I'll certainly give you a gold star, just like those ones on the uniforms of McDonald's workers

[napshnap]

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You'll have to take it up with Betangel but I'll certainly give you a gold star, just like those ones on the uniforms of McDonald's workers

Ahh, I hoped for a knighthood .

[jamesg46]

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You'll have to take it up with Betangel but I'll certainly give you a gold star, just like those ones on the uniforms of McDonald's workers

Ahh, I hoped for a knighthood .

You never know, Peter is a generous guy... stay positive, were here for moral support if needed.